OH Vomit.

Here’s a pic of my Spirit.  It’s a Dodge.

  So has everybody read Raisinberry’s new post on PT yet?  If you haven’t, I highly recommend it.  Go ahead.  I’ll wait.

 Considering Raisinberry’s performance on this blog a few days ago, I’m surprised she decided to break her silence with a post about integrity.  But if we really think about what she’s written on PT, we can get a tiny peak into how her mind works.  Several times Raisin admits to hearing the little voice in her head telling her that something was wrong.  Of course, now that she is out of MK it’s easier for her to now say, “Yes, I heard the voice and disregarded it.  I now see that I was wrong.”  But has she really learned her lesson?

She has seen Tracy and the way she reacts to people.  She has seen her “friends” disappear from PT one by one, and yet she has done nothing.  I guess my question would be, IS she hearing that voice in her head (I’m sure she would call it her “spirit”) or is this a Monday morning quarterback situation?  I’ll give you an example of what I mean:

Let’s say that in Raisinberry’s experience in MK, she never had any qualms about frontloading her recruits.  The entire time she participated in MK, she felt that her actions were honest and noble.  No guilt.  Nothing.  BUT then she starts feeling overwhelmed with the “hamster wheel” and starts seeking out others on the internet that feel the same way.  Now she sees from what they say that some of her actions might have been wrong.  That frontloading is not OK.  So….What makes her a better person?  That she KNEW what she was doing was wrong (as she now claims) or that she was oblivious until she talked to other people?

Judging from her other writings, I’d say that she would think that by admitting that she felt something was wrong from the get go that she’s a better person.  The NSD’s and director’s that continue taking advantage of women and have no guilt about it are the bad ones, right?  Even if she wouldn’t say a “better”,  by making the claim that she heard these voices speaking to her, she can now say that she’s learned something from the experience.  She can now say that she will listen to the little voice the next time.

But look at what she’s said and done within the last week?  She’s lied.  She’s been vindictive.  She’s made some crazy accusations with nothing to back them up.  Is the little voice of integrity speaking to her now?  I’ll bet she would say no.  I’ll bet that little voice is telling her that I’m the devil, and that she is God’s messenger sent straight from heaven to oppose me.   You can ask her if you want to.  She hasn’t answered my email.  

By the way, if you guys hear little voices telling you what you’re doing is not OK, please listen.  But if you’re little voice tells you to drown your children in a bathtub, you might want to ignore it.  You know what?  Considering the fact that you’re little voice is just an extension of your own psyche and all the baggage that comes along with it, why don’t we all try to use a little REASON.  Fuck the voices.

P.S.  On this same post, there is a comment by someone named Apricot Glaze that absolutely makes me sick.  Apparently this woman borrowed $1800 from a childhood friend to buy inventory, and then stiffed her for it.  Of course, this is Mary Kay’s fault.  Are you fucking kidding me?  She stole $1800 (+ interest because the friend put it on her credit card) from her friend!  Then she started ignoring her phone calls when she tried to collect.  She goes on to give a sob story about how she went through a divorce and other hard times and just COULDN’T EVER pay her back.  Unfortunately she doesn’t give us her friend’s financial situation.  I guess we can all hope that she was independently wealthy and didn’t NEED the money.  In that case, all she lost was a friend who sounds like a dipshit loser to me.  And now she says she couldn’t find her even if she could pay the money back.  Yeah.  Because it’s really hard to find people you’ve known since you were kids.  Whitepages.com.  Use it.  Search for her parents names.  Search for friends that may know where she is.  Sorry about the rant, but this behavior is absolutely disgusting. 

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  1. Rebecca said

    Of course Apricot Glaze could have, and still can, pay her friend back. Even if it’s just a few dollars at a time. She doesn’t have to pay her back in one $1800 lump. Try $5 here and there, regularly though, to show committment, integrity and honor. Like, maybe, every two weeks. Like, you know, buy one less latte a couple times a month.

    I agree with you, Duh, this behavior IS absolutely disgusting.

    I suppose all the PTers are telling AG that it’s all right, not her fault, if her “friend” won’t understand then she’s not a true friend, blah blah blah. Instead of telling AG to suck it up and pay her back.

  2. Rebecca said

    Uhm, isn’t there medication for those little voices?

  3. The lawfirm which employs me once had a client who owed us about $300. She had split the bill with her neighbor. Well, she really couldn’t afford to just send us $500, or even $100 a month. So she sent us $10 a month. When times were good, she sent $25. She times were bad, she sent $5. But she never missed a month.

    About 10 days into each month, we start dialing for dollars on delinquent accounts. And this woman never once got a call from us. Because she was doing the right thing.

  4. Oh my ApricotGlazed – you used your blue check to pay off bills, and didn’t pay your recruiter? So, she became out MORE money when you sent the stuff back, and you still never paid her from the blue check?

    I know hard times, but you’ve been living with this for 12 years. I hope she reads this and finds her former friend and does the right thing. It’s disgusting.

    That’s why I love Suze Orman – never borrow or lend money.

    pppj

  5. Duh said

    And that was to a lawfirm! I’d be so ashamed if I borrowed money from my friend and then just pretended she didn’t exist anymore.

    But then again, I wouldn’t ever borrow money from my friend. Especially not $1800. Even if she begged me to take it. I couldn’t do that.

  6. Rebecca said

    AH, come on! It’s not AG’s fault. It’s MK’s fault, or that director’s fault, or the NSD’s fault. Maybe even her recruiter/friend’s fault. No, wait! It’s the boogey man’s fault.

    I am truly amazed that AG even said anything about having done this.

  7. Duped said

    Okay, I have borrowed the occasional $10 bucks here or there from friends when I was single, but I couldn’t even imagine doing something like that to a friend. 😦 $10 is one thing, $1,800 (plus accruing interest) is entirely another! Did she not make any money in MK? Because if she was making extra $$, she should have been deducting a percentage of the proceeds to pay her friend. Not giving your friend back her money after you receive your blue cheque is just plain stealing. I am sorry, but you STOLE from your friend – and what makes me sad is that YOU KNOW YOU STOLE and you just redirect the blame!

    Take some responsibility and PAY YOUR FRIEND BACK. No amount of confession is going to change the fact that you have done this. Put yourself in her shoes, Apricot Glaze. How would YOU feel? If you did this to me, I would be very angry, yes, but I would be hurt beyond belief that you would do this.

    Alas, you probably don’t care. You have confessed your sin and you don’t give a shit now. You are absolved in your own mind. I guess your friendship with her is not worth the $5 per month or so that you can afford to send. Or even an apology. Pretty sad, don’t you think?

    Fart knockers.

  8. Dana said

    So her friend was 1) short $1800, 2) plus interest, 3) plus the chargebacks.

    Is her friend still a consultant? Did she try searching for a PWS?

  9. Her recruiter/childhood friend said

    . . . quit MK before apricotglazed did. But no one has given any unsolicited advice to apricotglazed nor has she been a victim of any psychological internet diagnosis. It’s amazing! Where are the know-it-alls?

  10. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Apricot glaze and all you other PT blog turds that condone that kind of behavior just shows you what type of women you really are, dishonest and you think the world owes you everything – NOT. Pay your hopefully ex-friend back you lazy looser fuckwitt. You have no honesty or integrity by doing this. Its not your recruiter’s fault, the SD’s fault or even MK’s fault because you have no convictions or morality. YOU are a thief, it doesn’t matter that you can’t afford it, maybe you could as others say give her $5 a week or go be her slave/servant and work of your debt, but instead you are wasting your time whining on a blog and being an indentured blog turd servant to PT. Get out and get a parttime job and pay her back, instead of wasting your time on PT.

    Honestly I am getting so sick and tired of all of the PT shits looking to blame everyone for their actions and not taking responsibility for being a grown up who signed the friggin Beauty Consultant agreement. Ya as if anyone held a gun to your head and forced you to sign or order inventory. This kind of shit makes me absofrigginlutely nuts. GROW UP AND OWN UP TO YOUR STUPIDITY.

    What a bunch of Asshats this generation has spawned. Whatever happened to hard work and integrity. Shaking head, getting off of soap box right now. Going to have a cig to calm down.

    Tards PT Tards………

  11. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    FLUSH…..YOU HERE THE PROVERBIAL PINK TOILET IN THE BACKGROUND.

  12. I didn’t get from the above that the loaner of $1800 to AG was also her recruiter. Was I missing something, or was that only on PT, where I haven’t read yet.

  13. Dana said

    Her recruiter/childhood friend said,

    So you’re the one she screwed? Take her to court!

  14. NM – found it. I got so used to not being able to read any part of the discussion board, I pretty much stopped going at all.

  15. Geez, your Spirit is kind of boxy and a weird color too…I’d think the Devil would drive a nicer car. I hope it at least get’s good mileage.

  16. Me said

    “Honestly I am getting so sick and tired of all of the PT shits looking to blame everyone for their actions and not taking responsibility for being a grown up who signed the friggin Beauty Consultant agreement. Ya as if anyone held a gun to your head and forced you to sign or order inventory. This kind of shit makes me absofrigginlutely nuts. GROW UP AND OWN UP TO YOUR STUPIDITY.

    What a bunch of Asshats this generation has spawned. Whatever happened to hard work and integrity.”

    I don’t want to scare anyone but this sounds like I wrote it. I’ve been saying that to PTers for over a year now.

  17. Not a Bee-liever said

    Dana, sorry for the confusion. That was me trying to split up the sentence in a clever way. Her recruiter/childhood friend quit MK before apricotglazed did.

    She avoided her recruiter/friend’s calls as if she were avoiding a creditor’s calls. And no one at PT has asked her to take responsibility for that.

  18. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    You know ME, you get tired of hearing all of these winjing whiners. Ya there are things wrong with MK and the way it is structured, but somewhere along the line you have to remember NO ONE forced you to sign or order inventory. I remember signing it of my own accord and when it came to inventory my cautious nature prevailed and I did a minimum order to see if I liked it first. I just don’t get it anymore. It seems like nowadays everyone has to be a victim of something or they just aren’t normal. Bwah hog wash. If these women can’t take responsibility for their own stupidity, they deserve what they get. I sure hope they aren’t nuturing the next generation, cuz if they are they are spawning a generation of future victims/’loosers’.

    YOU HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR RETARDEDNESS SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE…. If anyone is still on PT, hold her feet to the fire and make her realize what she is doing is wrong. Gawd someone has to do it, cuz we all know it aint gonna happen on PT.

    Tards, nothing but Tards…… Haggie is getting fed up with all of these whiners. GROW UP!!!!

  19. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Is PT the unofficial TARD farm????? Going to slop the PT pigs.

  20. Rebecca said

    AG said: ” I lost a good friend because of my sapphire order when I first started a business. She didn’t pressure me, but my director did. She never even suggested anything less than $1,800 wholesale. I later found out she was going for $1,000,000 that year (and made it). I couldn’t afford the $1,800 so my recruiter put it on HER credit card. I was never able to pay her back and then life got even worse with a divorce and I knew I could never pay her back. She quit Mary Kay way before I did and started calling me to ask when I could pay her back. I began avoiding her phone calls (it was like all the other creditors calling for payments) and we haven’t spoken in over 12 years. She was my best friend from childhood. I have long since quit and sent back inventory, but had to use the money to pay bills. Even if I could pay her back I wouldn’t know where to find her.”

    And pinkpeace said: “…..Apricotglazed – What a sad, sad story. How many women’s lives are permanently damaged from the greed of those above them in Mary Kay.”

    However, Truth not Tears (I think) is ever so gently suggesting AG find this friend and repay her.

  21. Rebecca said

    What I don’t get, people, yes all you oh-so-wise and super-intelligent women here on Duh’s blog. No, I’m not being sarcastic, I have come to believe that you all ARE intelligent!

    Ok, so what I don’t get, is WHY and HOW does a person who claims to have integrity and to be a Christian, go so many years doing things that go against her integrity and against her Christian beliefs. ??? At what point does that integrity jump up and bite her in the butt and make her knock it off? Surely, true integrity does not take 14 years to get it in gear.

  22. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Thats great, but stop being gentle. If you really wanted to find someone and pay them back you could. There are absolutely no excuses. Even minimum payments would work, people no matter what their circumstances have to live up to their obligations. I am not saying people don’t have problems, because we all do financially at one point or another, but your integrity and honesty may mean more than avoiding phonecalls. I for one would rather her come clean with me and tell me her situation. We could have worked it out and I more than likely would have come to some sort of payment option and still had the friendship. Now the friend is stiffed and out money and has a bad taste in her mouth by being burned and AG has a whole lot of guilt to live with, or maybe not, its amazing what you can talk your conscience into believing.

    I’m glad at least TNT stepped up to the plate.

    Haggie has calmed down now.

  23. Mercedes said

    I am still selling Mary Kay and just do it because I want to. I don’t really make any money off of it-But I haven’t lost any either. I don’t have credit card debt and I sure don’t have shelves stocked with product. My director has a ton of product at her house because she has gone into so much debt, but she says it is ok because it is money on the shelves. What good is money if it is on the shelves?????
    I signed the agreement
    found PT
    found out some good info about MK
    remembered the info
    went to the discussion boards
    chatted
    made friends
    came here and posted a stupid post defending tracy
    stayed here as snapya-fingers
    learned more about tracy
    asked some questions on pt
    had privileges taken away
    was publically humiliated on pt
    some of my posts were deleted on pt
    then I requested for the banning process to be completed
    and publically came out over here
    still here-making new friends here
    my “real” pt friends are here too.
    Did ya get all of that?
    Whew!

    What I don’t understand is why some of the ones that were banned are back on PT or some of the ones that left are back on PT. Not that I want to go back.

    What is really crazy is that the IP address for all of the computers at my school system must be the same, because some of my collegues cannot sign in from school anymore-ever since I was banned. That sucks for them. So not only did she ban me but she banned quite a few innocent ones too. Well what am I talking about-I was innocent too.

    HOOKERS!

    WOOF!

    Mercedes
    (Miss Periwinkle)

  24. Duh said

    Rebecca, that is exactly my point.

    Someone said that some of the PTer’s are a little miffed at me because I have disrespected Jesus in several of my posts. My point is that many of the PTer’s that claim to be Christians are doing everything they can to not ACT like Christians. I’m not making fun of Jesus or the idea of Jesus or of a higher power. I’m making fun of the idea they same to have of just who and what Jesus is. I don’t think the “Jesus” they invoke ad nauseum is any where close to who Jesus actually was as a human or as a spiritual being.

    I’m sure that the very same women who quote the bible to make their points on PT were quoting the bible to make their points in MK. I’ll put $5 on it.

  25. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Rebecca,

    You have to wonder how much integrity some of these oh so christian women have if they do that. Surely in the 12 years since she borrowed the money she could have paid it back. Good grief if she had even given her $150 a year which works out to $12.50 per month she would have paid it back. I would sooner someone do that, then stiff me totally. I guess when times are desperate you pay off the credit cards, car loans, etc., first and friends and family are the bottom feeders on the list. If it was me I would have sold something, anything to pay back the debt. I don’t know how AG can even look herself in the mirror. You know what they say “Where there is a will there is a way”.

  26. Me said

    Two things:

    One, I HATE how Raisinberry always writes like WE (the readers) are all just like her!! What she says is bullshit, and then she groups all of us in the boat with her. I just read that garbage and noticed that a lot of the comments are people who seemingly are new (“I’ve lurked here for months!”). Any bets on how many of those lurkers who suddenly found the keyboard are really Tracy?

    Duh, you need to write a topic pretending to be Raisinberry and discuss how fun it is to drink while on the internet and have God talk through you to all the lowlifes on the anti-Tracy Coenen blogs. I wonder why Raisinberry has never visited my blog?

    Two: “And pinkpeace said: ‘…..Apricotglazed – What a sad, sad story. How many women’s lives are permanently damaged from the greed of those above them in Mary Kay.’ ”

    Can you believe she did not even mention the poor friend who lost the money? She equates that to the “greed of those above them”?

    Hagzilla, I’m with you. Always have been of the same mindset. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

    The sad thing is, though, as I said earlier, I have been saying it for over a year and they are still avoiding it over there. And they say I, as an active MK consultant, am in a fog??

  27. Rebecca said

    AG did say her friend calling was “like all the other creditors calling for payments”. So, seems like AG’s got some serious money management issues. Owed a lot of people. And AG’s not spoken with this friend in over 12 years. Looks like she borrowed this $1800 over 12 years ago.

    It’s my opinion that AG never intended to pay back this money. The things she wrote; “I was never able to pay her back, then things got worse.” “I began avoiding her phone calls.” AG returned inventory but used the money to pay bills, but nothing paid to this friend. And at least 12 years later – “Even if I could pay her back, I wouldn’t know where to find her.”

    Apparently, there has be no financial improvement in AG’s life so that even now, 12+ years later, she still is unable to repay this money.

  28. Rebecca said

    Funny, Me! Yeah, they think WE are in a fog. HA.

    My comment on what I don’t get on the integrity thing is mostly about Raisinberry, more than Apricotglazed. RB’s the one who goes on and on and on and on.

    AG, well, she, uh, well, …..

  29. Rebecca said

    Me, Raisinberry made a comment in one of her comments, that caught my attention. Her comment about her corp. attorney husband contains a wee tiny phrase, “Gee..an MBA says….”. Isn’t that how Jane MBA talked on your blog? Mayhaps RB did indeed visit your blog.

  30. Duh: I often think that Jesus hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors NOT because they “needed” him more but because at least they were honest in their presentation. I like that in a diety.

  31. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    As I see it this is the whole thing about PT et al, the want to blame everyone else for their stupidity and mistakes. Yes there are problems with mlm, but if you aren’t in it for the big bucks, I think most can do okay. I think the problems are when you get into being an SD. Whatever, at this point I don’t care active, in, out, it doesn’t matter. PT twists everything about the entire situation and has created a blog of victims, PT is another victimizer because it is exploiting their perceived slights and injuries, instead of really trying to help. It condones the victim behavior by patting people on the head telling them it is okay, you have been wronged by the big pink machine, never ever once mentioning accountability on the person’s part. So my question is there to PT, where is your accountability? If anyone over there had any guts, gumption or smarts they would tell these women straight out what you did in your situation was wrong, pure and simple.

    Everyone thinks if they give a warm fuzzy apology they should be forgiven, Nuh Uh, you have to make the wrong right, first AG should pay it back, if she can’t find the person, then she should go out of her way to make the wrong right by say donating that money to a very worthy charity. You can’t just sin and then pray all the time, at some point you have to be accountable. Sometimes we use forgiveness as an excuse.

    As for being self righteous, I’m not, all I know is if I screw up, I recognize it, fix it, and learn from it and move on.

  32. I saw a cartoon one time (can’t remember which one…franklin maybe….) and the father talked about the “three sorries”
    1)you have to feel sorry about something you’ve done
    2)you have to tell the person you are sorry
    3)you have to try to make it right

    Ok ok…maybe it’s in the bible or the koran too..but I remember it from the cartoon…lol

  33. Rebecca said

    Even with no money, AG could have worked it off. She could have done yard work, house work, babysitting, etc., for her friend to work off the debt.

  34. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Thats great MRS. I like that, but some of these women don’t try to make it right, as in AG’s case she ignored it and has let 12 long years roll by. Can you still make it right after 12 years. I’m hoping she will.

  35. I think the mistake people make sometimes is thinking that there is a statute of limitations on “making it right.” Sometimes you can’t make it right but I’ll tell ya, for ME, even attempting to do so goes a long long way.

    Can you imagine how the person would feel getting a check in the mail after all these years with a simple note that says, “I know it’s 12 years late and it’s not the whole thing but I’m sorry and I want to make it right.”

  36. Rebecca said

    I absolutely believe that a person who truly does have integrity, has core values, personal honor, a personal code of ethics, whatever you want to call it, while mistakes will happen, she/he will NOT go 14 years continually violating her/his integrity.

    You can’t go year after year, continually trampling on your own integrity, and claim you still have any integrity left. I so ain’t buyin’ that bridge.

    Duh, I have never been offended by any comments by you, nor have I felt that your were making fun of, or disrespecting Jesus. Not at all. Now, making fun of and disrespecting certain people who claim they claim what they claim – now that’s fair game!

  37. Rebecca said

    Duh wrote, “I’m sure that the very same women who quote the bible to make their points on PT were quoting the bible to make their points in MK. I’ll put $5 on it.”

    I bet you’re right, Duh!

    Any bets on when Tracy deletes AG’s comment?

  38. Yeah, I’m with Rebecca on this one. I don’t see where you disrespected Jesus either and I consider myself a pretty solid Jesus freak, ya know.

  39. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Wouldn’t she only delete it if she was reading here ROFL, then she would know it is a topic on Duh’s blog. **waving to Tracy**

  40. Just Call Me Shay said

    I posted this over there, but I am sure it’ll be deleted soon, so read it now:

    apricotglazed said:

    “I lost a good friend because of my sapphire order when I first started a business. She didn’t pressure me, but my director did. She never even suggested anything less than $1,800 wholesale. I later found out she was going for $1,000,000 that year (and made it). I couldn’t afford the $1,800 so my recruiter put it on HER credit card. I was never able to pay her back and then life got even worse with a divorce and I knew I could never pay her back. She quit Mary Kay way before I did and started calling me to ask when I could pay her back. I began avoiding her phone calls (it was like all the other creditors calling for payments) and we haven’t spoken in over 12 years. She was my best friend from childhood. I have long since quit and sent back inventory, but had to use the money to pay bills. Even if I could pay her back I wouldn’t know where to find her.”

    Um. Your friend was NOT like “all of the other creditors calling for payments.” She was your FRIEND who personally loaned you money.

    You did NOT lose her friendship because you placed an order. You lost it because you avoided her phone calls and did not pay her back.

    You sent back inventory THAT YOUR FRIEND PAID FOR and kept the money for your own bills. Because you “had” to use the money for bills. What about HER bills? The interest, the late fees, etc.

    If you wanted to find her, you could. Locate her parents. You were childhood friends. Surely you know SOMEONE from your childhood that knew her, too. (Unless you have used more than one friend and no one else speaks to you now, either.)

    Don’t blame MK for this. This was YOU and YOUR way of dealing with things. This was YOU hurting your friend. The very least you could have done was give your friend whatever you got back for your inventory return.

    I have gone through a divorce. I have been broke. You could have coughed up 5 or 10 bucks here and there to at least attempt to help your friend.

    MK has issues, but this is not one of them. This is YOU.

  41. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    ***STANDING OVATION FOR SHAY!!!!!*****

  42. Duh said

    I guess that making the assumption that Jesus would be pissed at Christians not acting in a Christianly (yes, it’s a word) fashion got them a little riled up. Maybe they don’t think that Jesus would shop around, but I completely stand behind the idea that when He returns Jesus’ll save a ton of money on his car insurance by switching to Geico.

  43. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    DUH ROFL!!!!!!! I just spit my afternoon scotch all over the computer!

    Wheeze from choking.

  44. Duh said

    Geez Shay. Are you always this mean?

    heheheh

  45. Dana said

    Shay, I just read your comment over on PT (so it’s still there) and I came over here to say “Bravo!” I think I love you!

  46. Just Call Me Shay said

    Duh –

    LMAO Well, yes, when people whine about stuff totally their fault and blame it on others.

    Or maybe I am hanging around here too much….. 😀

    (When I let loose with the F word, then I will know I have been hanging around you guys too long…LOL.)

  47. Duh said

    Hey Hagzilla,
    I’ll bet that Jesus does NOT drive a Dodge Spirit either. Judging from the majority of Christians, I’ll bet he drives a big ole pick up truck. One of those trucks with the extra large monster truck tires.

    Jesus could totally run over like 15 cars before turning over too.

    I don’t know where this is going…

  48. Just Call Me Shay said

    ROTFL My last comment here didn’t show….

    I said to Duh that I am only that mean when someone whines about something that is their fault and blames it on others.

    Or maybe I have been hanging aorund here too much….LOL

  49. Just Call Me Shay said

    Whoops! My comment posted….just got stuck for a few minutes,…LOL

  50. Dana said

    It showed….. you’ve got to give it a minute instead of double posting. Wow… you’re dumb enough to be a PTer.

    Just kidding, Shay! (And I really am. I’m not being all Tracyish- saying mean things and being “Oh, I was sarcastic” when it causes problem. I just feel extra goofy today.)

  51. This is off topic, but did you guys know that today is National Family Day. It is the fourth Monday of every September and it was started so that parents could be reminded to eat dinner with their children and to spend time with them. Isn’t it sad that we live in a world where we have to be reminded to do these things?

  52. Dana said

    I’m spending my dinner with my BFTB family…….. reading Shay’s comment is better than time spent with my parents! 🙂

    Except my mom usually sends me home leftovers. And baked goods. And freshly done laundry.

    On second thought, screw you all! I’m calling Mommy!

  53. Just Call Me Shay said

    Dana –

    It’s okay. I still love you. I will just make you do naughty things later to make up for it.

    hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

    (Okay, now I KNOW I have been hanging out here too long…..you guys are such a bad influence….)

  54. Just Call Me Shay said

    FF –

    Yes, I think it is a sad, sad commentary on our society that parents have to be reminded to spend time and eat dinner with the kids….:o(

  55. Duh said

    Gee thanks for making me feel like a schmuck Sandy! I’m sitting here on the computer while my kids eat dinner. But I have to defend myself. I WANTED to eat with them, and I USUALLY eat with them, BUT I ate half a loaf of french bread while I was cooking. Now I’m stuffed. And if you think I’m gonna sit there and watch them eat and talk to them and stuff, you’re crazy.

    Talking to your kids? Spending time with them? That’s how this country got into this mess in the first place. Are you asking me to turn my children into pussies?

    Now I have to go. I have to bring them to soccer practice. I’m the team mom, ya know.

    *Skipping away*

  56. Dana said

    Um, sorry, Shay. I don’t swing that way.

    And I’ve been around since May, and the harshest language I’ve used is “pissed.” So apparently, I am stronger than the rest of you in avoiding Duh’s evil influences.

    Duh, you’re corrupting the minds of these innocent people. You need to stop.

    By the way, I just was rereading some old posts (work was crazy, I needed a break), and I came across one where you were lurking in a PT chat room, and they formed a prayer circle to pray against you? Ah, good times. Funny article for rereading.

  57. Apricot whatever her name is is just plain WRONG! She should have paid that money back somehow – some way. We all have had hard luck stories from time to time but we still have had to honor our commitments and pay our bills. People like her who don’t pay their bills are what makes it hard on those of us who do.

    Her refund check should have went to her ex-friend. I don’t care for MK anymore either, but geesh – it would take a moron to blame her friend not getting her money back on MK.

  58. Go, soccer mom! 🙂

  59. Just Call Me Shay said

    Raisin is praising TNT’s post (guess she thought TNT was gentler than I was).

    My answer:

    “Raisin –

    TNT did have a fine post, but if apricotglazed has been in denial about this for 12 years, I figure “gentle” is not what she needs.

    Ya gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet. ;)”

    Dana –

    I am soooooooooooooooo disappointed…;o) (J/K – I don’t swing that way, either…..well, not since college…no, wait….did I say that out loud….????)

    LOL

  60. Dana said

    Okay, Shay. I may have changed my mind. You made me lol with “You may have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette.”

    Not just that line. Just the whole thing. $5 says raisin ignores it completely.

    But don’t be surprised if you lose posting privileges. After all, that’s “stinkin’ thinkin'” at PT…. personal responsibilty is not en vogue there!

  61. Just Call Me Shay said

    As far as AG –

    Surely she has gotten a tax refund in 12 years? I know as a single mom I got KILLER tax checks…..more than enough to pay someone back $1800…. A few hundred bucks a year is enough to pay off $1800 bucks….

    I also think just the effort of paying back her friend would mean a lot, KWIM??

    *shakes head*

  62. Just Call Me Shay said

    Dana –

    I was shocked that I could still log in to MAKE a comment…LOL

    You know, I was not given a whole lot of info when I joined an MLM (PrePaid Legal), but it boiled down to the fact that I DIDN’T READ THE FINE PRINT. My fault. You live and learn. Do I think that they should have been more upfront about stuff? Sure. But it was, ultimately, my fault.

    If MK consultants ever lied to spouses about purchases/debt/expenditures or built up mounds of debt and saw the intentory piling up around them, that is NOT (IMHO) a MK issue. That is a personal issue. Quit blaming MK for that stuff.

  63. Way to go, Pinkbeefs…she just posted and totally backed you up, Shay.

  64. Just Call Me Shay said

    I saw pinkbeefs comment. It was AWESOME!

    What pinkbeefs did – THAT shows integrity.

  65. Just Call Me Shay said

    I have to contrast the way pinkbeefs and AG reateced to the same situation:

    pinkbeefs had almost twice the debt of AG. She sacrificed to pay her friend back. She was the first person pb paid back. She sent what she could, when she could, and paid it back in 6 months. (PLUS interest).

    AG dodged calls from her friend, kept her blue check for herself and blames Mk for it all. And is still clueless 12 years later….

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm….

  66. **HUGE HUGE HUGE STANDING OVATION TO SHAY AND PINKBEEFS**

    Slam dunk, SCORE!

  67. Just Call Me Shay said

    What I don’t understand is why no one else over there is condemning her (Aprocotglazed)….

    It’s all, “Yes, the horrible MK ogre did this to you, you poor thing…..AND your friend….”

    Um. NO.

    AG suffers from poor character, not from MK.

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

  68. Starr said

    Shay– great comments. They need to stay there. If they do disappear, it will be a total slam on the topic of that blog article. I would hope they wouldn’t be so stupid as to do something like that.

    Raisin IS pretending Shay doesn’t exist– or ignoring her which is the same thing, IMO. Talk about lack of integrity, Raisin.

    Hypocrisy at its finest.

    Apricot Glaze is a loser and it is no fricking wonder that after twelve years she is still broke. What she did is theft and one can imagine she has probably done that and more to others than just her friend. Until she does right and faces up to her responsibilities and makes things right, she will continue to be a loser.

    She doesn’t deserve pity or compassion. She deserves a swift kick in the rear end.

    That whole blog on integrity plus the majority of butt-kissing responses just turned me the wrong way today. The only saving qualities in the responses are Shays and Pink Beefs.

  69. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    Well I’m glad Beefy stepped up to the plate, she always does. Like I said before its all about accountability and where is the accountability at PT? I remember when people were talking on threads about sending back their drek that they were entitled to send back say $3,000, but only had $1500 worth of drek, so they were asking everyone and their dog for their stuff to top up their order. So much for Go-Give. It sucked that everyone thought that was okay because it wasn’t, the recruiter didn’t deserve to be stiffed with the charge back just cuz they got their panties in a knot and think they’re screwing MK, they not they are screwing the recruiter. If the recruiter didn’t frontload them and even if they did, the IBC was responsible for the drek she ordered on every subsequent order, cuz no one was twisting their arm to buy their prize or next level up the career ladder. So again there are no ethics at PT when people applaud this type of behavior. Ya I got caught up in the blog mentality and made fun of people, but even I Haggie have my limits and did not condone that kind of crappola.

    So again I ask where the integrity is on PT? You can bet your sweet bippy that Shay will be reprimanded for stirring the pot, when it should be the other blog turds that condone the behavior. I still think AG needs a kick in the keester and should try and pay it back. I hate ass kissing, unless its my ass your kissing!

  70. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    BTW Duh

    Quoting Duh “Hey Hagzilla,
    I’ll bet that Jesus does NOT drive a Dodge Spirit either. Judging from the majority of Christians, I’ll bet he drives a big ole pick up truck. One of those trucks with the extra large monster truck tires.

    Jesus could totally run over like 15 cars before turning over too.

    I don’t know where this is going…”

    Duh, were you talking about my monster mudder hot pink truck with purple spots with neon pink fun fur lining the inside, ya forgot one thing the quintessential gun rack in the rear winder and the hanging fuzzy dice. Don’t ya know in MK/Pt pinkland they think Jesus drives a Pink Caddy……

  71. Shy you took the words right out of my mouth!!! When did it start being ok to stiff people out of money! Sheesh.

  72. Mercedes said

    Waving to Sickie/Happy

  73. Mercedes said

    I had a good comment here-but it went to lala land-poof-bye bye

  74. Hagzilla said: It sucked that everyone thought that was okay because it wasn’t, the recruiter didn’t deserve to be stiffed with the charge back just cuz they got their panties in a knot and think they’re screwing MK, they not they are screwing the recruiter.

    Haggie, I didn’t EVER think that was ok and I spoke out about it on a thread on the discussion board ‘way back when’. I even talked to Tracy about it in a phone conversation and she said – she didn’t really care that much about it. I said, well, certainly PT outta be above MK’s practices if you are doggin ’em.

    She did finally take it before a TINY portion of the board and some agreed. Unfortunately most of those people are now gone.

    *waves to mercedes*

  75. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    Sickie, It has never been okay to stiff anyone money, product or anything. AG went and posted this on PT, because she knew everyone would hold her hand, pat her head and say “poor dear, the big pink machine did this to you” GAG give me a break. They have so much tunnel vision that they excuse the bad behavior. I read a lot of your posts and you are a stand up gal and I know you would have told her to pay it back. I also know when people were returning the pink crappola and that thread was started about ‘stiffing’ people with other IBCs drek you chimed in faster than anyone else about not doing that because it wasn’t right. But that just proves you have integrity and scruples, and again you got screwed by TC, because you had integrity.

    Its amazing the See no evil, hear no evil, changes to just plain old ignore and twist it so it fits, you can moralize anything in you keep twisting it an perverting it. Its all about perception aint it.

  76. Thanks haggie. Just the fact that SOMEone noticed that I commented about that issue is validating.

    Yup, it’s all about the perception.

  77. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    What I find interesting about ethics and morals on PT is that Tracy a known forensic accountant/fraud investigator would let the drek returning incident go without so much as a whimper. Don’t you think if it was your line of work and people were encouraging others to commit fraud on your blog you would blow a gasket and slam down that kind of behavior? It makes you wonder about her warped sense of judgment and if I was a potential client and read her PT blog and saw that condoning behavior I would run away and never look back, and it would also make me think of contacting the professional associations this person is affiliated with and let em know what their colleague is up to.

    Makes ya go hmmmmmmm.

  78. *thunks head* OMG you’re right – that’s FRAUD!!!!!

  79. Duh said

    Haha! Just checked the thread again, and Tracy has thanked AG for her honesty in admitting what she’s done. She also says, “I sent you a PM about this.”

    Lemme guess, did it go something like this:
    The negative comments about your courageous posts are from a group of depraved and disturbed ladies that have a personal vendetta against me and the wonderful work all the ladies at PT do. Please know that you are welcome here, and that we will not judge you even though you are a first class moron for admitting that you are a big user.

    Ok, she probably didn’t say that last part.

  80. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    ROFL Duh ~ I don’t mind being amongst the depraved and disturbed, at least they are honest.

    Now wouldn’t it be sweet justice if AG’s recruiter friend that she stiffed for the $1800 hired Tracy as the fraud investigator, or she happened to be a PT blog turd and goes a knocking on the PM door, saying “Scuse me, but you owe me some cashola” Now that would be sweet justice. ROFL

  81. Duh said

    Wouldn’t it be funny if the friend was on PT already? Quick, somebody go on PT and comment, “Bitch!! Give me my money!!” Haha

  82. One of Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    Don’t tempt me, Duh.

  83. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    Ohhhh I wish I could, I wish I could. Ya never know Duh, she may just have outed herself with her *ahem* friend. I don’t want to sound like I am scorching AG, cuz we all make stupid mistakes, but to own up to it like this, I guess it is niggling away at her conscience somewhere.

    Seems to me all the real stand-up gals have seen the light and left the PT tard farm.

  84. One of Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    geez, have a friggin heart then. i’m cheering on the beefster

  85. Just Call Me Shay said

    I tell you what, pinkbeef’s post impressed the heck outta me….shows what she’s made of, ya know??

  86. Duh said

    I have a question…

    If AG owed Tracy $1800, would Tracy post her name, address, and phone number on her blog to shame her for the world to see?

    Me thinks she would.

  87. Dana said

    Below is another comment from pinkbeefs…. very cool. Tracy is probably leaving these comments up just because they are bringing traffic up from practically nothing to a little!

    I want to know what Tracy said that couldn’t be said on the blog itself. Unless it was offering to use her “investigative skills” to track down the friend, it should have been posted.

    _________________________________________________________________
    Tracy, I’m not so sure it was hard to share it. There is nothing in that post about either integrity or even remorse. She didn’t lose a friend; she ditched her. There is nobody that can’t be found anymore if a person r-e-a-l-l-y wants to find them, especially someone who would probably love to get their money back and move on from a situation like this. Think about it: Best friend. From childhood. I know, I know. I’m sure that didn’t escape anybody’s attention. If apricotglazed is here to get help, that’s great. But sympathy? No way. Sympathy in situations like this “Builds Strong Whiners 12 Ways.” You’d better believe she’ll get a TON of encouragement from me if she closes down the pity party and starts acting to do the right thing by paying the friend back, even if it is only a dime a day to start with. I believe that God would meet her effort and pay that outstanding debt off in no time flat.

  88. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    Hey I lurves Beefy!! She is way to cool for PT school.

    And Duh, to answer your question, absofrigginlutely she would post the info on either PT or her other shit ass blog. See she has to have more than one blog to stroke the ego.

    Name: Apricot Glaze
    City: Head up Ass
    Email: AwwwwPoorMe@I’mBroke&Stupid.com
    alternate email: I’manMKvictim@dumbass.com

  89. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    NOW Beefy’s post deserves her very own **STANDING OVATION*** Way to go Beefy for having intestinal fortitude!!!!

    You Rock Beefy, me luuuurves Beefy!!!

  90. Willie Lump Lump said

    ROTFLMAO, Duh! Your ass is crazy as hell. Each post makes hubby and me laugh harder and harder.

    STOP IT BIOTCH!! 😉

  91. I want to give kudos to Shay & Pinkbeefs! You both had wonderful posts on PT about apricotglazed’s friend ditching ways.

    Duh, I agree that Tracy would have posted whatever she could find on apricotglazed, just like she did for her contractor.

    My Lending Rules:
    1) Never lend what I can’t afford to throw away. (Just in case I have a “friend” like apricotglazed, which thankfully, I don’t!)
    2) Never borrow money from friends, ever! (The occasional $5 that you pay back the next day or when you pass the next ATM is one thing.)
    3) Pay for it in cash. If you don’t have the cash, you don’t need it.
    4) If you must borrow (for a house, car, or school) go to a damn bank!
    5) If you don’t qualify to borrow from a bank, it sucks to be you.

  92. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    **Waving to Willie and the Hubby***

  93. A couple of other thoughts — I ate dinner with my hubby & kids, did the football/cheerleading/team mom & practice thing, AND I didn’t need a National Day to tell me to do it.

    And if this world continues the way it’s going, everyone will be a victim, including the victimizers. Whatever happened to teaching our children that life is NOT fair, you DO NOT deserve it just because you were born, you work for what you get and what you get is based on the work you do????

    I was raised in a very strict home. “Do as I say, not as I do” and “Children are to be seen and not heard and speak when they are spoken to” and “Yes, Sir/Maam” was a requirement. I myself am strict, but have backed off what I grew up with some as an adult. I admit, my Dad was a little over-strict, but I do teach my children that life is not fair, that they are not entitled to the world just because they were born, to work for what they want and earn it, and to be responsible for their own actions.

    Ok, rant over.

    Hussies!

  94. Duh – Get a new car! That one sucks!
    – Semi

  95. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    This is what I have been ranting all along Semi! Its called accountability and respect for oneself and having moral grounding. Is life fair NO, is it always going to be a bed of rose NO, more’n likely it will be shit on a stick 50% of the time. But is you are raised right, ya suck it up, and get on with it!

    And who you calling a Hussie! LOL

  96. foxspirit1 said

    Kudos to you ladies posting.

    Shay: The reason more people aren’t posting is b/c we have all lost our posting privileges. Have you noticed low low the posting traffic is on the discussion board? that is because all of the talkative folks have left, or been exiled. Sure, it is said we “left on our own,” but really I haven’t “left,” you would just never know it because I can’t post, reply, read karma, send PMs etc. Why? Because I was asking questions and being a trouble maker. I did get an email from Tracy basically saying if I repented and promised not to make trouble I could come back. I don’t like being treated like a toddler. So, again, I would wager the reason more people haven’t condemned her blowing off a good friend for a large sum of money has less to do with people supporting her, and more to do with so few people left who can/would say ANYTHING. ::sigh::

  97. Ok, this is insane. I come out as a mole and I can still log in. I haven’t tried posting but I bet I could.

    I thought I would look up apricotglazed when I went over today and found this post of hers:

    apricotglazed
    Trade Count: (0)
    Lady-In-Waiting
    Karma: 4
    [applaud] [boo]
    Online
    Posts: 23
    Has anyone here ever sent back BeautiControl Inventory?
    « on: Jun 08, 05:31 PM » Quote

    —————————————————————
    This sounds crazy of course but after being MK I joined BeautiControl only to find out it is just as disgusting as MK! I want to send back my inventory (which is not very much, but money is money) Has anyone done it? It was pretty easy with MK, I used the spreadsheet here and there was not contact with my director etc. The BC consultant guide says you have to have a director’s siganture, but the actual agreement (contract) doesn’t mention that. Would I be stupid to just send it back using the other spreadsheet and attach invoices to correlate my orders? I don’t want to get a signature from my director because she probably would try to talk me out of it. What do you guys think?

    AG

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Ok, so she returned her MK product, she never paid her friend back, but she had money to sign up with Beauti Control and buy more inventory???

    WTF??? This chick is obviously just a fucking thief!

  98. Just Call Me Shay said

    Foxspirit –

    I know. So many sane people have lost their posting privileges…it’s a shame.

    But it amazes me that the ones who CAN post simply do not speak up. Why? Surely more than 3 people with posting privileges see what is wrong with the “woe is me I stiffed my friend out of $1800” spiel.

    I came across this and was struck by the similarity to PT:

    “Doublethink – The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them . . . . To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.”

    Yeah, it’s late and I am tired, so maybe my brain isn’t as alert as it should be for me to justify being behind a keyboard, but this sure does sound like what’s going on at PT.

    Anyway, I should probably get some sleep. I am babbling…LOL

  99. Ok, because of the last 2 posts, I went over and logged on to the discussion board. I have come out as the mole and so far the only privileges I lost was the In The News Thread. I hadn’t tried posting, but then I saw this:

    apricotglazed
    Trade Count: (0)
    Lady-In-Waiting
    Has anyone here ever sent back BeautiControl Inventory?
    « on: Jun 08, 05:31 PM » Quote

    —————————————————————-
    This sounds crazy of course but after being MK I joined BeautiControl only to find out it is just as disgusting as MK! I want to send back my inventory (which is not very much, but money is money) Has anyone done it? It was pretty easy with MK, I used the spreadsheet here and there was not contact with my director etc. The BC consultant guide says you have to have a director’s siganture, but the actual agreement (contract) doesn’t mention that. Would I be stupid to just send it back using the other spreadsheet and attach invoices to correlate my orders? I don’t want to get a signature from my director because she probably would try to talk me out of it. What do you guys think?

    AG
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I couldn’t help but try to reply and here it is:

    Seeing Clearly Now
    Trade Count: (1)
    Baroness
    Karma: 37
    Online
    Posts: 291

    Flip flops and pedicures are my friends.

    Re: Has anyone here ever sent back BeautiControl Inventory?
    « Reply #2 on: Today at 10:44 PM » Quote Modify

    —————————————————————-
    Maybe, just maybe, instead of signing up for Beauti-Control and buying inventory, you could have paid your recruiter/friend back the $1800 you owed her from borrowing to buy your MK inventory that you later returned.

    Oh, and I was not being mean, I was being sarcastic.

    **********************************************************************
    So, now I ask, how in the hell is it that I still have privileges over there???????

  100. prdiva4 said

    Semi-Charmed1 LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

    You ladies are crazy!

    NUTS!!

    SLUT #4

  101. foxspirit1 said

    OOOOOooooo you gonna get spanked! Naughty Naughty. LOL It is *so* true though! Of COURSE she didn’t have that much inventory! She already borrowed all she could from friends she ditched! Wow, the gall. Maybe she’ll use her money she gets back from that to pay her friend… I doubt it.

  102. Bite This! said

    ROF!

  103. Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    “money is money” . no shit. just ask your friend

  104. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    Way to Go SEMI ~ STANDING O FOR SEMI AND I’M NOT MEANING THE BIG O!

    I wonder if she scammed another friend for cashola for her BC inventory????

    I am beginning to like ApricotGlaze even less. You my dear lady have the moral standing of an amoeba. Are you going to pay her back with this inventory return. I can see why she didn’t have any money left from her blue check she signed onto beauty control with those funds. ASSHAT, TARD, and ever other kinda of TARD. And I am being MEAN and SARCASTIC…..STOOPID MUST BE HER FIRST NAME.

  105. Duh said

    Stop the presses!!! Look at this shit:
    raisinberry said:
    apricot…think clearly now. How would you feel if you let a dear friend use your credit card, and she charged over 2,000,worth of stuff with the understanding that she would work to pay it back. And when your ways parted, she stopped working. She took everything she bought back to the store, and got the refund money…used all YOUR MONEY, on her own needs. And when you called her for payment, she ditched on your calls. Over and over, you tried to reach her but she pretended you didnt exist. That money was never yours, but you spent it like it was. You can feel ashamed and rightly so, but it wasn’t a mistake to post here unless you never want to be accountable for what you did. If you intended on blaming the Director–you have to remind yourself, the Director didnt spend the refund. One of my own recruits ordered 800.00 on my card, and paid only $100 of it back. She also sent the merchandise back, and she also never paid me back. Your recruiter got a CHARGEBACK on top of your failing to pay her. Imagine having to pay commission back on an order you paid for in the first place. Nobody here made you feel worse…you know what to do…if you feel worse, that is your conscience talking..be glad you have one.

    Go Raisinberry!! Now I know why I love your crazy ass so much!

  106. Raisin must have “sobered up”! First great thing I’ve read her write in a very long time.

  107. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    OR maybe just maybe Raisin is lurking here on DUH and is seeing what real women think of this entire situation. OR maybe just maybe she realized the PT shoe wasn’t gonna drop on her head for posting something that could be considered pot stirring. Raisin good for you for chiming in there though, maybe all the shaming will set her to put things right.

    OMG what AG did was theft pure and simple. Bwah! she is just as guilty of a crime as OJ is. Only now OJ is screamin “Its my shit, I was just gettin it back” AG is trying to rationalize it away, probably used the blue check money to finance her way in the Beauti Control.

    This is one thing that someone told me not to do in MK, never ever put anything on anyone elses credit card or borrow money from and SD or recruiter. You have to be absolutely sure you can pay it back. Now if she had gone to a loan shark for a loan and defaulted, she would be without kneecaps right now.

  108. Haggie, I just gotta ask…do I know you? Cuz I sure like your style.

  109. Duped said

    I think Raisin just came here, saw all of our posts, read them, and then toddled back to PT and paraphrased, because it almost sounds word for fucking word from our posts. LOL

    AG – you take the cake. Fucking asshat, indeed.

    Fart knockers.

  110. Apricot first joins MK, and then Beauticontrol.. So she had the money for beauticontrol but didn’t want to pay her childhood friend back.

    I bet money that Apricot Glazed doesn’t go to high school reunions.

    pppj

  111. Mentally Fucked by Tracy said

    apricot made a comment:

    apricotglazed said:
    I didn’t post here to get scrutinized. I was simply sharing something that happened to me because of a pushy director. I didn’t think my friend was “like a creditor” and not one of you here know what my situation was or is now. I am ashamed that I could never pay her back. I wouldn’t even know what to say to her if I saw her. Thank you for making me feel worse than I already did. I think it was a mistake to post here. I should have known better.

  112. Not a Bee-liever said

    Wow raisinberry! Nice response!

  113. Mentally Fucked by Tracy said

    man i’m late to with shit.

    gargh

  114. ‘ I was simply sharing something that happened to me because of a pushy director.”

    Yes, but Apricot…this didn’t happen TO you because of a pushy director. You had a pushy director and you made a poor choice. Lots of people do that. Then you made a series of other poor choices by dissing your friend. These are your choices, perhaps you made them under duress but yet they were still YOUR choices.

    “I wouldn’t even know what to say to her if I saw her. ”
    How about I’m sorry and offering to write her a check? It’s called being humble, look into it.

  115. Dear Apricot,
    This is the problem. This didn’t just happen to you because of a pushy director. It happened to you because you asked your friend for money, took the product, and then returned it so she was charged back for it. She had to pay (what’s your guess guys 13%) of whatever you returned.

    You can pay her back. You are choosing not to do so. You can give her 20.00 a month and at least it is something.

    I hope your other friends know not to lend you money. I feel badly for your former friend as I am sure she was crushed to learn you just used her for her money without any thought to her financial situation.

    pppj

  116. That was a great response from Raisin. Something is nagging at me though…what happened between this response, “TNT…you are a fine example of a seasoned, “lifting” coach. Tell the truth and leave them intact. Got nothing but luv for ya.” below Shay’s post to AG and her more recent post chiding AG? I guess it’s possible she was writing her reponse to TNT while Shay was posting her own response. I had thought originally it looked as though she was making commentary on Shay’s response….maybe I was wrong about that.

  117. Dizzy from the Dastardly ways of Tracy said

    Holy shit there’s a lot of posts on here. What I miss when I actually work.

    I think it’s completely FUCKED UP that she would return her inventory and not pay her friend back. She got free product since she never paid for it, AND got a refund. What a bitch. This is why I don’t lend money to people. The ONLY time I’ve done it is when I felt they truley needed it, and I offered it, as a GIFT, without expectation of them paying me back. And I OFFERED it, they never asked. I NEVER give money to someone if I don’t have it to give. Period.

    Raisin is a nut job, but I agree with her response to AG.

    God what TARDS.

    HOOKERS!!!

  118. mkhonesty said

    Hi Duh, may I stick my nose in your fire ant hill for the 1st time?

    I’m going to drag this all the way back to Raisinbran’s original post. What struck me as odd is that she never mentions, implies or insinuates that her personal team member who “did a diamond” ever sent back the product, or that this recruit was unsuccessful or unhappy with MK. Raisinbran can’t say that she doesn’t know whether product was returned, because she would have received a chargeback. (Speaking of that, where did RB get the 26% number from? From her own timeline, she didn’t make car production or 5 team members that month. Therefore the commission was 4% on her 1st team member. Maybe RB was talking about her “newest recruit” in the Director’s Call paragraph.)

    RB would have known if her 1st recruit didn’t work out in MK. Come on, it was her FIRST RECRUIT. If this person had left MK it would have made her article so much more powerful.

    Hagzilla said, “What I find interesting about ethics and morals on PT is that Tracy a known forensic accountant/fraud investigator …”. Why didn’t Tracy catch this little omission? Probably because the article fit so neatly into her script, and she didn’t need the likely fact that the recruit is still in MK (an maybe even a director) to ruin the plot.

  119. Rebecca said

    I’m confused: AG said, “Has anyone done it? It was pretty easy with MK, I used the spreadsheet here and there was not contact with my director etc.”

    Is she saying that she sent her MK inventory back recently? !!?!?!? As in she used the spreadsheet “here”, meaning the PT discussion board?

  120. Duh said

    Hi MkHonesty,
    Stick your nose in all you want. But be careful! We’ll stealthily crawl all over you and then bite you in unison so it hurts more.

    LOL at Raisinbran!!

    Do you think Tracy will ever openly question one of Raisin’s posts? No way! They are the only posts that generate any interest over there. And from what I’ve seen of Raisinberry, she’s not really interested in facts.

  121. Duh said

    I think so Rebecca. That’s how I understood her comment. So she must have sent back her inventory recently.

    Wow. I’m speechless.

  122. Dizzy from the Dastardly ways of Tracy said

    That’s another fucked up thing. She’s too broke to pay for MK shit, so she gets a refund on money she never spent. Supposedly pays other bills, then signs up for yet another selling job and now wants to send THAT back.

    FUCKING RETARD! Obviously you are not a seller and double obvious you suck with money managment. No WONDER you were such a sucker.

    DUDE, at least I KNOW I like to spend money. At least I KNOW never to have credit cards like I used to. I know myself enough to know that if I did, I’d spend the money. TARDS!!!

    HOOKERS!!!

  123. Duh said

    Those damn MLM’s. They’re so tricky. You get out of one, and the next one is right there waiting to suck your ass back in.

    Somebody tell me when Miss Apricot starts selling Pampered Chef. I need some more stoneware.

  124. I need a new corn butter-er thing. I think my youngest took mine outside someplace…dang, I LOVED that thing.

  125. “Raisinbran” that’s funny.
    Not fun to type like pppj *waving*.
    I do think Raisinbran’s *still laughing* was a good response to AG.

  126. Mrs. M, I bought my corn butter-er thingy from a camp store! It was cheaper than PC.

  127. Foxspirit,
    You said I was gonna get spanked!!! All I got was a PM from Tracy that said “Re: Warning” that asked me to refrain from personal attacks on PT members. It was a very polite warning. Oh, and my comment did get deleted.
    Semi-Charmed

  128. Semi, you didn’t even get a time out!

  129. Duped said

    Raisinbran…ROTFL. That’s funny right there, yo.

    So, she used the spreadsheet on PT??? I assumed she did this some time ago – not just recently. What a fucking retard. So you took that refund cheque and instead of making it right and lessening your “shame” to your friend by sending her back her money – you KEPT IT and blame a fucking Director for YOUR shortcomings??? Holy fuck lady, you are really low.

    What a fucking hoser.

    Fart knockers.

  130. Me said

    I haven’t read all the responses so someone may have mentioned this. If so, sorry, but I’m running late this morning. But if Apricot used the spreadsheet to return her MK inventory that means she returned it within the last year since it was posted on PT. And if she sent it back in the last year, that means that she had to have purchased it within the year prior to returning it. But didn’t she say that she borrowed the money 12 years ago?

    Something isn’t right here……

  131. Mercedes said

    I just got privileges taken away for asking questions-the right questions-i mean wrong questions-i mean right questions…

  132. foxspirit1 said

    Mercedes, apparently YOU were sent to the naughty corner, but Semi got off with a warning. Hey at least there was a warning this time! Maybe it is the kinder, gentler PT. Semi I wonder how long it will take to get your privis pulled now. I didn’t get a warning. She pulled my privies first, and sent me my “warning” letter later offering to reinstate them if I promised not to keep causing trouble. Of course my questions were never answered.

    I think she used the spreadsheet there for her MK. Meaning she borrowed the money, and stayed in MK 12 years longer?? It is possible her recruiter went by the wayside in that time and at least didn’t get a chargeback. That is so crazy.

  133. Response to AG from Lazy Gardens….”Mary Kay, like other MLMs, makes people do wierd things, wrecks relationships, sucks them dry and leaves the wreckage behind.”

    I agree and yet in THIS case, Lazy…it was Apricol Glazed who did those things to her friend, not MK. You are speculating wildly about what “might” have happened instead of just asking her to explain herself. That’s just wrong.

  134. mkrealist said

    This is the way I read it (and I’m basing this on what you all have reported HERE, I’ve not been to PT).

    12 years ago, she signed up with MK and borrowed $1800 from her friend. At some point within the next year (it sounded like she made the decision pretty soon after getting in) she returned inventory and then avoided her friend/lender and took the refund check to pay for other things.

    Now, 14 years later, she has since joined BeautiControl and found the PT Board. She is asking if the spreadsheet on the PT Board can be used for BC inventory returns and apparently she doesn’t know enough about BC to even know what their policy is on inventory returns.

  135. Just Call Me Shay said

    I also got a warning to “not personally attack other members.”

    Sorry, that was NOT a personal attack. It was a wake up call. Gotta call a spade a spade.

    A personal attack would be to call AG a lowlife b*itch and and ask her what f*cking idiot loaned her the money to get into Beauticontrol.

    THAT would be a personal attack.

  136. Shay, I think I lurves you! I wanted to reply to my PM that I was not personally attacking, but that I was being politely ignorant. Your statement brings politely ignorant to a whole new level. 🙂

    Off to work! Hopefully, my laptop will be cooperative today and I can read more there.

  137. Just Call Me Shay said

    LOL @ Semi :o)

  138. Me said

    MKRealist, the quote from AG says, “It was pretty easy with MK, I used the spreadsheet here and there was not contact with my director etc.”

    That sounds like she did it recently (within the past year since the spreadsheet became available) yet she says she borrowed the money 12 years ago.

  139. You can return inventory after 12 years. I did after 14 1/2.

  140. If The Shoe Fits says, said

    Ah doesn’t that mean that there was some cash flow if she was able to be in business for 12 years? Yet she didn’t have any $$ to repay her friend? Not buying the sob story. This person has committed fraud.

    So what happened to the fraud investigation whereby what this apricot did would be busted? How is that different than what Mary Kay is being accused of?

    By the way, has somebody lobotomized Personal Use Recruiter? I can’t believe that she wrote that meta post.

  141. Me said

    Sickie, you can only return product purchased in the 12 months prior to return. So she stayed in business purchasing product for 12 years. She had to be getting money from somewhere and I would like to think it was from sales, which means she could have paid her friend back.

  142. One of Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    uou are right, Shoe and Me. why isn’t tracy calling her out on it? what has happaned to PT?

  143. Not a Bee-liever said

    When you find yourself thinking that someone has been lobotomized, remember:

    “we got egos like hairdos
    they’re different everyday
    depending on how we slept the night before
    depending on the demons that are at our door”

  144. Rooster said

    as for a timeline for when apricotglazed sent her products back, Beefy has been at it again (GO BEEFY!) I have copied part of an old thread on PT and Beefy’s new response:

    apricotglazed
    February 18

    “Why aren’t the refund checks pink? Is it because MKC is so “blue” for lying to all of us and having to refund money! (Little crying emoticon here)

    Anyway, that’s awesome, how long did it take from when you sent the product back to receiving your check? I am still waiting.” (Little frown emoticon here)

    Pinkbeefs
    September 25
    “Oops”

    Pinkbeefs
    September 25
    “Is this the same apricotglazed who didn’t have the money to repay her friend? I am astonished.”

  145. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Mrs. said “Response to AG from Lazy Gardens….”Mary Kay, like other MLMs, makes people do wierd things, wrecks relationships, sucks them dry and leaves the wreckage behind.”

    I agree and yet in THIS case, Lazy…it was Apricol Glazed who did those things to her friend, not MK. You are speculating wildly about what “might” have happened instead of just asking her to explain herself. That’s just wrong.”

    Lazy its not the MLM’s that make people do bad things it is people who make bad choices and decisions. Its not like the MLM is human and is going to jump out from behind a corner and make you sign or order inventory. Again it is accountability/responsibility. AG stated she was feeling bad about her problem and now she thinks she shouldn’t have posted on PT because of it, Hell ya, because someone is finally making her accountable for her shitty deal she gave her friend. Grab a friggin brain lady, YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD AND MISERABLE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT, YOU STOLE MONEY FROM SOMEONE. As for not treating them like a creditor, you should have and paid her back. I hope in real life we never meet and become friends, because no one needs a friend like you who is a leech and bloodsucker.

    Arg! And if you stop posting because some people finally held your feet to the fire about your shitty dirty dealings GOOD, because maybe you have learned a friggin lesson here and will try and make it right.

    Asstard…..

  146. Just Call Me Shay said

    How about this advice to AG:

    TRACK DOWN YOUR FRIEND, SELL YOUR COMPUTER, AND GIVE THE $$$$ TO YOUR FRIEND.

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.

    OR stop having Internet service, and use that $$$ each month to send to your friend. $20-50 a month goes a long way to paying her back.

    Stupid %&^%$^

  147. Rebecca said

    Apparently, apricglazed was in MK for 12 years. Meaning she had the money to order at least $200 w/s each year. And yet she never even attempted to repay her friend. $200 x 12 years = $2,400.

    Did AG by any chance ever mention the $$ amount of MK that she sent back?

    Oh, this just gets worser and worser….. She sent back MK in 2/07, then in, what? Aug/Sept 07 she’s asking how to send back BC?

  148. I always get in on these things too late. It takes me all day to read all the comments. 😛
    Semi: great response up there–
    actually everyone’s responses are great.
    *Applause* 🙂

  149. Mercedes said

    foxspirit1-i am with you-the posts are down because all of the talkative ones are over here and we have no privileges and it sounds like most of us don’t want them or even care. I guess she had to stop taking them away so she could at least get the few posts she is getting now-because I am shocked that people get to ask all of these questions and still have privileges. She has to keep a few on.

    Hoodrat, Hoodrat, Hoochie Mama!
    Hookers!
    WOOF!

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