My definition of “outing”

I was just rereading the PUR thread and forgot to address this issue, so I thought I’d do it here instead of adding to that long ass thread that takes forever to load.

PUR has asked me to remove the product that she sold in her MLM from someone’s post.  Um, no.  That’s not outing.  Nobody is going to call your house or show up at your door because they mentioned the product you sold. 

Should I delete or edit  comments that say that someone sold face cream because somebody MIGHT be able to tell who that person is? 

I’d like to state for the record that PUR has asked me to alter posts in this way before, and I did do it.  Why?  Because I was nice.  Did she then turn around and do the same for others on PT?  Did she condemn Tracy for giving out personal info on her blog?  I didn’t see it.  Maybe I just missed it.

I’ve not had a problem with ANYONE “outing” on my blog ever.  Several times people asked if I would change first names and other info that I do not personally consider outing, and I’ve done it. 

 Word to the wise.  Pay it forward.

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  1. PUR said

    Yes I absolutly DID ask that names, contact information, and any identifying info always be redacted on Pink Truth. From hate mail all the way down to someone’s individual post that complained about their old Director. I have now come to the conclusion that even NSDs should be protected as private citizens and not be discussed by name. That is what my Gossip thread was all about!!! If you read that ENTIRE thread, along with the thread where Tracy asks that people not use other people’s names anymore as a new community standard (thread titled: “One of many changes, I need your help”) you will see that I am the #1 advocate for protecting people’s identies on PT.

    Please, please, do not punish me like this when I have advocated this positive change on PT. I do not want my MLM advertised on a public forum.

  2. PUR I know that you did stand behind the “no outting” of real names of people in MK. I think, if I remember correctly, you were the one that repeatedly brought it to Tracy’s attention. THAT ROCKED!

  3. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    NO one has named your MLM. Who the fuck cares if you were into some stupid dumb ass *it pains me to do this* thing. Its not like you signed your consultant agreement as PUR the super MLMer. Fuck! You need some psychotherapy or electric shock or something for your paranoia.

    Paranoia Cha cha cha!

    SKANKS

  4. PUR said

    Why do you think someone’s post with full names or first names suddenly then has initials — that is because I hit that “report to moderator” button and Tracy fixes it. But I cannot be the community police alone, and I don’t even want to! That’s why I keep writing these posts about protecting people as a reminder — it is discussed at length on the gossip thread you dislike so much.

  5. PUR said

    Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS,

    You seem to really hate me, but please stop repeating that. It is mine to share. Mine, not yours. You may not care, but that is because you are not me. I care, and that should be respected, no matter what you think about me.

  6. PUR, I gave you kudos. You’re just so defensive…I’m beyond….

  7. PUR said

    Sickie I did not see your reply, I was just adding to my post above. I take a long time to type.

  8. LOL some things never change. ROFL! Love it! Type on girl!!!!

  9. PUR said

    And my comments were directed in response to the topic. Sorry for the confusion.

  10. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Pur the only trouble with the Gossip thread is that you came across as holier than thou. You also use the term Gossip to close down meaningful dialogue.
    It is great that you hit report to moderator and do that when you see things like that, but the practice should come from the top down not the bottom up. Tracy should have been clear right from the beginning with people that it was unacceptable, but she couldn’t because she did it herself on numerous occasions. I saw this many times on the Hatemail thread and when the other Blogs started toasting her chestnuts over it that is when change effectively came into being on a kinder *barf* gentler PT. So yes you did do good there and I will give you that. But honey you need to grab a life, walk away from all things internet and do something meaningful, because blogging on the net isn’t. Most of us can walk away and say so what. This seems to be your life and you desperately need to get something else. Please don’t beat the gossip thread to death anymore. There is more to ethical blogging than not gossiping.

  11. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    By the way PUR I don’t hate you, I just hate your behavior. I don’t like how you stirred the pot more than once and wouldn’t and don’t own up to it. I also don’t like how dismissive you can be and drip sarcasm, thats what I hate.

  12. Strawberry Shortcake said

    I always thought if someone was dumb enough to send a hate mail to PT and sign it with their real name and information, then it should be posted as is. When you take away the contact info it seems to be something TC made up.

    I don’t think anyone should out someone who doesn’t want to be outed.

    I’m sure I “talk” to many of you here and on other forums and have no idea it’s the same person.

  13. PUR said

    Please, please, Duh, please remove references of my MLM. In my world it outs me. Shouldn’t that be enough?

  14. Duh said

    I have read the gossip thread. The parts people send to me anyway since, “I’m sorry guest, you have been banned from using this forum” is the only part I can see personally. The part you wrote seemed to center more on the “trash blogs” gossiping about PT rather than what was going on at PT at the time.

    When I was at PT I didn’t see ANYONE saying anything about the hatemail. I didn’t see anything said when Lazy Gardens googled some guy who wrote in and found out what political party he was affiliated with, who he gave donations to, and where he worked. Maybe you were saying something behind the scenes, but it didn’t stop for MONTHS.

    At some point there became a general consensus over at PT that outing people was wrong. After that became established suddenly EVERYONE was jumping on the “outing is bad” bandwagon. Prior to that happening, not a single person came out publically and said that putting people’s personal info on the internet should not be done. If they did, your friend Tracy quickly deleted the comments because I never saw them. And I’m REALLY looking!

  15. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Why PUR did you tell someone in your mlm you are known as PUR on PT????

  16. Duh said

    PUR,
    In these situations I like to ask myself…

    What would Tracy do?

    Hmm….

  17. Duped said

    Okay, I am confused. Clear things up for me here, I guess my PMS has made me slow.

    It is NOT okay to mention someone’s MLM choice? You don’t like it that someone (whoever they are – I must have missed that) mentioned which company you belong to. Right? Okay.

    So in that instance – NO MLM’s should be outted in order to protect the identity of the person involved in it. Am I right?

    Then WHY talk about Mary Kay then? It just seems a little one sided. Continually, people have been “outted” on the Pink Truth blog about being in MK, and not all the time by the person in question. So, to make everything right – we should apply it to EVERY post, every person and every MLM. Otherwise, it would be onesided. It’s okay to out people in Mary Kay, but not another MLM.

    I am sorry if you all think I am slow here, but really, this is confusing. I don’t see how that is outting. Outting to me is names, places of birth, addresses and phone numbers. THAT is outting. Saying that so-and-so belongs to a certain company really doesn’t make it outting in my mind. How many hundreds of thousands of people are in MLM? It would be absolutely impossible without knowing who they were *specifically* to track them down and acquire any personal information about them.

    Again, I just don’t see it. But obviously, some do. I guess I agree with Duh and Haggie on this one. I don’t see it as outting. Rather a bit of paranoia.

    Fart knockers.

  18. PUR said

    Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS,

    I appreciate your concern, and I assure you that I have a life. I hear you about stepping away from the internet. I do. Some of the posters here have handily dehumanized me, so I just want to show you that I am a person of worth, who has a family and hopes and dreams as you do. Please do not post my MLM anymore.

    Duped,

    If people want to share their MLM fine. I shared that I was indeed a MKPU for a year. That is what was open for discussion. Not what my other MLM was. My choice to share or not to share. Why take that away from me?

  19. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Duh said, PUR,
    In these situations I like to ask myself…

    What would Tracy do?

    Hmm….”

    She would say tough titty said the kitty……….. and then ban them from the forum.

  20. PUR said

    Duh, Tracy never outed me.

    Duh, you say your one rule on this blog is to not out people. Free speech and open discussion, but not outing.

    Duh, please redact reference to my MLM and product. Please.

  21. Duh said

    I can’t take the crying and whining!!! It’s done OK. All mentions of your MLM is gone.

    Geez.

    But you have to answer my question or I’m putting them ALL BACK UP.

    What WOULD Tracy have done in this situation, do you think?

  22. Duh said

    I know Tracy never outed you. What do you think I am a moron?

    No. If someone had come to Tracy and BEGGED them to take down information about them, let’s say for instance that MK lady that said she was a lawyer, what would Tracy have done?

    Tell the truth now.

  23. PUR said

    I think she would have taken them down. Because she is growing and learning and striving to do the right thing, as are we all in life.

    I really do believe the best in people.

  24. Duh said

    Because I’m think that she would either
    a) ignore them.

    or

    b) send them an email rubbing it in their face that she doesn’t have to and then defend her actions by somehow convincing herself that the person asked for it.

    What do you think?

  25. Duh said

    OH YEAH?? Is that what you really think?

    Is that post still on the discussion board? Anyone wanna go take a peek?

    Did Tracy ever issue a public apology for the people she did out??

    No. She stopped because PTer’s thought it was wrong. She still sees nothing wrong with it.

    Growth, my ass.

  26. PUR said

    Duh, thank you very much for removing them. I appreciate your consistancy.

  27. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    I disagree, I think if she wasn’t feeling pressure to change her act and is was business as usual prior to all the love-love, nicey nicey going on I think it would still stand. I think T was pushed into that and it was only changed at the time she was roasted and toasted on the anti PT blogs, otherwise she never would have acquiesced to change. When people objected to the term kaybot, she said it stayed because she coined it. So I think she is forced to be this way because people are demanding change and accountability, left to her own devices I think she would have left it as it was. IMHO.

  28. Duh said

    I didn’t remove them because it outs you. I removed them because you asked me to. Yes, I am consistently accomodating.

    Now STFU about it. You’re gonna ruin my street cred.

  29. I think Tracy would have left it too. I really do. ESPECIALLY if SHE posted it.

  30. Duh said

    Definitely Hagzilla,

    Tracy is getting better at public relations. She’s not getting better at being a nice human being.

    If she had changed her mind, she would have apologized for the people she tried to ruin in this way.

  31. Duh said

    And I’m not talking about on the discussion board either. On the front page of her blog. An open letter to the people she’s outed apologizing and explaining why she’s had a change of heart.

  32. PUR said

    Duh, I am sorry to be whiny about it, but there are comments from Strawberry Shortcake and Hagzilla that either name the MLM or reference the obvious product. Can you please take a second look?

    And seriously folks, it is easy to think MLM is a big world when you are nestled among almost a million MK ladies. Not the case for the others. Okay?

  33. Dana said

    And Duh has not been known to run background checks on people and e-mail information to people such as the make and model of a person’s car, full-name, daughter’s name, address, etc.

    Because she’s not a psycho stalker. Just a psycho skank.

  34. Dana said

    Hmmm…. PUR still hasn’t answered your question.

    So scrapbook, scrapbook, scrapbook!

  35. Duh said

    I searched all the comments for the name of the MLM and the product. Short of going through every single comment, you have to give me more information than that.

  36. Duh said

    PUR, why do you care if anyone knows about the MLM you’re in?

  37. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    I hate everything that PT has spawned. Well Duh, I do like you and my peeps! Honestly look at this, if you scratch the surface of PT and all the dissatisfaction the root cause is Tracy and they way she did and does business on PT. It has taken otherwise good solid women who have formed friendships and created an air of paranoia and mistrust. She sets up people to do her bidding through hatemail, caption that photo and rant in general. She is changing her ways only because she is being forced to because people are standing up and saying ‘Whoa a minute here, this isn’t cool’, after awhile if enough people say it you have to listen. I think T really likes it when people are at odds with each other because it gives her and element of control.

    When people started emailing the IBC’s & SD’s at their work or the place the email originated from that was it for me. I thought its bad enough that we roast em and toast em on the blog, but to go out and deliberately spam bomb them, thats wrong. So again it brings it back to ethical blogging, which apparently doesn’t exist in the PT world. I also think PT has changed a little because it has gotten some press attention, once you get that you really don’t want a reporter sniffing around and finding out what is behind the PT mask that is ugly and looks like the back end of skunk instead of something shiny and noble, that kinda hurts the reputation of a high and mighty fraud investigator. So doing it of ones own accord I don’t think so, forced is more the modus operandi at play here.

    SKANKAZOIDS

  38. Strawberry Shortcake said

    PUR, I cannot imagine why you think that by saying PUR sells/did sell for ***** MLM would out you. I personally know several ladies who sell (what I think is) your MLM. Unless you also go by PUR in ****land, I guarantee that if I called these ladies and said “do you know PUR” they would say no. I can’t even remember what PUR stands for, but I thought it was MK related.

  39. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Well I for one love *douching*! I get my supplies at the dollar store.

  40. Dana said

    Because she wants it to be mentioned so she can whine “They’re terrible people over there just like I knew they were!!!!!! Duh claims not outing is her only rule, but she lets them out people!!!!!!!”

  41. Duh said

    You do realize that I’m gonna have to go through all your comments and get rid of all the references to PUR’s MLM.

    You guys suck.

    Why am I so nice?

  42. Strawberry Shortcake said

    Hag, I for one HATE *douching* (I don’t print out my pictures). But I’ve been to a party or 2 (you know where you pay $10 for some cheap ass scissors and supplies). Don’t you know the evils of dollar store supplies? Oh the horrors….

    *just kidding. If you’ve ever been to a “party” I’m sure you’ve heard their BS and know what I’m talking about.

  43. PUR said

    Please, it is mine to decide. I do not want it on a public forum. Why can’t you respect that?

  44. Strawberry Shortcake said

    Duh, search by the MLM’s initials and you’ll find what I said.

  45. Dana said

    PUR, are you in *I’m a douche*? Because I could use some *I’m a douche* paper?

    Or are you in Stamp It up? Because the ink is getting low in my stamp pads that I use for *douching*!!!!

    Duh, this post was more for your benefit than PURs.

  46. Duh said

    PUR, we are just intrigued! You must share with us why you are so scared of this info seeing the light of day. Really? Inquiring minds want to know!

  47. Duh said

    You guys are gonna be so mad at me when I edit your comments. LOL

  48. Strawberry Shortcake said

    PUR, I can respect that we have a difference of opinions. But I honestly don’t understand where you are coming from. I see it as the same as saying “Strawberry brushes her teeth with Crest and eats Fruit Loops for breakfast”.
    I won’t post your MLM anymore, I don’t want Duh to have to do any extra work.

  49. PUR said

    Listen, I have come here to do the right thing. People of Duh: Can you not give the benefit of the doubt? Let’s please continue in peace.

  50. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    PUR, I said I liked scrapbooking and bought my supplies at the dollarstore. I didn’t say you liked it or anything else in that comment, and it has nothing to do with you, it has to do with my liking scrapbooking and where I get my supplies from. The last time I checked the word scrapbooking wasn’t on any censored list of bad words, now if I said some of other words I and a few others like to use those could be considered bad words and possibly should be censored.

    I think this whole thing is beyond the beyond and is totally ridiculous that you can’t even mention the word scrapbooking because you have been here and object. CENSORSHIP, CENSORSHIP, FREEDOM OF SPEECH! CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS…..VIOLATION!

    Skankazoids

  51. Duh said

    “People of Duh” LOL

    We aren’t from another planet!

  52. Dana said

    Duh, good editing. You really are a douche.

    But why’d you leave in my Stamp It Up comment? That makes it obvious even if it doesn’t say it word for word.

  53. PUR you came here yesterday and thought you could slide in without people coming against you.

    You accused me of spreading rumors and making people hate you. I think you have to look at your own actions in all of this. I can’t POSSIBLY make THIS many people hate you.

  54. Dana said

    Hagzilla, I like buying my scrapbooking supplies from a dollar store too, and not some overpriced MLM. Not saying that PUR is part of one of those, of course. I don’t know what MLM she’s from. She could be selling sex toys for all I know.

  55. Duh said

    I thought you said you liked douching? That’s not what you said? Aw shit. I’m sorry. So you don’t buy you’re douching supplies at the dollar store?

  56. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    *eye rolling* shaking head, I need to go and down a scottie right now to deal with this shit. This is so kindergartenish.

  57. Strawberry Shortcake said

    Duh, will you make a list of banned words that we can no longer say here? I don’t want to forget and have you do extra work editing my posts. 🙂

  58. PUR said

    I am sorry that I cannot stick around and see this through today, I need to step away from the computer and attend to my life and my family.

    So please, I don’t ask that you like me. I don’t ask that you agree with my opinions. Just please respect my decisions regarding what personal information I am willing to share on the internet. That the info was posted here was ill-gotten gains in the first place as it was told privately in extreme confidence. Please do not continue to aid whomever wanted to hurt me in this way. I am not pointing fingers at anyone right now, I am just asking that it please stop. Please.

  59. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    By the way PUR I am not a Person of Duh, I am Haggie the Magnificent, defender of all against everything PT and the idiotic shit that creates and someone who likes to scrapbook.

  60. Duh said

    List of banned words:
    cats
    cheese
    scrap
    books
    scrapbooks
    squid

  61. hmmm said

    If PUR is worried about this ruining her business, that’s very interesting. Has she or anyone else given a thought to all of the MK ladies who do work their businesses ethically? There are thousands of us out there just trying to make a living for our families, who’ve done nothing wrong, yet you have this group out there trying to destroy our livelihoods. Maybe you do not like the business, have some problems with it, and with some of those in it, but trying to destroy it for all of us? Maybe now you can understand our perspective and why we get so defensive. Maybe there is a lesson in this for PUR and some others.

  62. Duh said

    dollar store
    penis enlargement
    anime
    generic

  63. Strawberry Shortcake said

    Thanks Duh

  64. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    I don’t know why she would be worried about this ruining her business, hells bells, unless she has PUR ****** Consultant, on her business card.

    As for the list of banned words. Can we please add:

    PUR
    NAB
    Tracy
    Pot stirring
    drama queen
    discord
    dissension
    big girl panties

    Oh and I still like crapbooking…….

    SKANKS

  65. Curious, along with Missy the Cat said

    Hag, I remember the kaybot discussion all too well, since I started the thread dedicated specifically to whether PT as a community considered it to be an appropriate term. Haven’t seen it for a while so I suspect it may have been removed. But what I do remember is that the discussion effectively ended when Tracy said that she created it and that it was good.

  66. Duh said

    Noted Hagzilla. The board will vote on your nominations at the next meeting.

  67. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Thanks DUH, oh Super omnipotent rule of People of DUH!

    Did I mention how much I still like crapbooking?????

    SKanks

  68. Curious – YOU were the one that started that – OK! I remember that thread cuz I agree with you and had said that I used to use it and regretted it. Immediately after Tracy came on and said how she liked the word and then others jumped on saying “it’s just a word”.

  69. Holla CDSS! said

    OH HELL NO!!!

    Tracy wouldn’t take those references down. Did she take that video down? No, she didn’t. It’s still online because Tracy is a full blown HYPOCRITICAL ASS.

    If any single person can sit online at Tracy’s “community” and say “oh, she’s trying so hard” and ignore the things that she has done and continues doing, then guess what, you’re no better. You’re condoning her behavior.

    I’ve always said that a person needs to be responsible for the information they put out on the internet. I still stand by that, I’m 100% positive that I never gave Tracy that video clip. I gave it to someone and once I did that it was out of my hands. Do I have issue with that person? No. Any issue I have is with myself for being naive in thinking I would retain control over its’ web whereabouts. That was over a year ago and clearly I’ve learned many things since then. The biggest thing I’ve learned is that Tracy only cares about Tracy. From my first interactions with her on MKSurvivors where she chased members off by attacking them to now where I’d politely asked her to take down the clip, she’s always been the same. It’s all about getting her money shot.

    The next biggest thing I learned was how Tracy is nothing more than a virus. She gets in, sets up and destroys what is there. Everything she’s done in the last two years has left a trail of conflict and misery. Name one relationship that survived? Every friendship she was a part of was destroyed at some level. I’ll stand corrected if need be but I don’t think it’s necessary.

    At this point, I’m tired of holding up a shield from my MK connections. I don’t care anymore. I have my experience, my history and my own opinions. If those people have issue with that, so be it, they’re entitled to it. I don’t care anymore. My fear once that video posted on Tracy’s site was that someone would recognize the event, put some numbers together and suddenly I’d be on some major shit lists. I wasn’t wrong in my fear. There were a few people commenting about being there and remembering the event.

    What right does Tracy have to hold that or anything else over any one of us?

  70. High Hopes has Left the Building said

    I also remember asking this way back in March when I first signed on and got the same stock answer, that it was her word and it stays. I think this topic has come up many many times in the past.

    **waving to Sickie and Curious**

  71. Dana said

    The cats near my house fight over the scraps of cheese that are thrown out with the books that shows the amount of squid the local bookies are owed.
    Until the bookie is paid, he will not be able to afford his penile enlargement. Instead he will be able to still buy the small, generic condoms found at the dollar store next to the anime stickers.

  72. Missy the Cat said

    Duh, PLEASE don’t ban the word “cats”. I had enough of that in that other place.

    Don’t tell Mom I used the computer!

    Missy the Cat

  73. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Tracy rules by fear. And Holla you are right on the money here.

  74. Rooster said

    dag nab it, I need to hone my investigative skills. PUR, the name of your mlm, which I guess is *I’m a douche*, was divulged BY YOU in chat. There has been more than one person that I’ve seen mention it, and no they didn’t say what that mlm was, only that you had brought it up. No, I don’t have their names or “proof” – just “gossip” – but I do believe it. If something is such a supreme secret, let me give you a clue….DON’T MENTION IT!

    CRICKETS!

  75. Duh said

    There are anime stickers at the dollar store???

    SWEET!

  76. Dana said

    They are! I see them whenever I get my douching and scrapbooking supplies!

  77. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    ROFL DANA! Yah DUH let the cat stay!!! It should stay just because Tracy hates them we should keep it all the more. CAT on a hot tin roof, isn’t DOG on a hot tin roof…….

    Missy do you like going to the dollar store to buy squid scraps and books on how to cook squid????

    Skankazoids

  78. PUR said

    Dana, Haggie, strawberry, whoever else… I seriously gotta go now. I have to step away from the computer. Can you cut me some slack? I am out of that MLM, but my screenname associated with it outs me in my non-blog life. Please don’t go there.

  79. PUR said

    Not in chat. Not in chat. You are wrong. PRIVATE.

  80. Dana said

    PUR, I didn’t say anything about you. I’ve never talked to you, and don’t know what MLM you are/were in, unless it’s the one I mentioned that Duh removed.

    Is there an MLM called “Douche?” Because that’s what a lot of my posts seem to be about…….

    Wouldn’t want to go to that home party!

  81. Missy the Cat said

    I like squid. And shrimp. And lobster too. Just about any kind of fish is fine by me.

    Mom handles all the shopping at the dollar store and the cookbooks too!

    Mom’s coming back downstairs; I think she went to make some popcorn. I’d better go back to pretending that I’m taking a beauty nap and maybe she won’t notice my posts. Or maybe she’ll see them and reward me…with SQUID!!!!!!!!

    MEOW!!!

    Missy, Cat Extraordinaire!!!

  82. Dana said

    You’re cute, Missy. I hope you get lots of squid. If I had a camera, I’d take pictures of you to put in a scrapbook…….

  83. Squeaky the Hamster said

    Keep that cat away from me!

  84. Curious, along with Missy the Cat said

    Missy’s mischief will be rewarded with lots of SQUID!!!! And maybe some popcorn, too…

    And yes Dana, she is REALLY cute. And she knows it.

  85. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    PUR if you picked the name PUR and it had the potential to out yourself, then you weren’t very smart picking it. I honestly don’t know what your scared of, unless you are still in the mlm or you were too vocal and they slapped you with a gag order or something or it is a mafia connected mlm and they are gonna feed ya to the fishes. Please call me Ms. Hagzilla if you don’t mind, only my very bestest ho-tard friends can call me Haggie.

  86. PUR, I do believe you believe the best about TRACY. As far as believing the best in the rest of us, not so much.

  87. Curious, along with Missy the Cat said

    Squeaky!!!

    It’s OK, you’re quite safe…she has SQUID!!!!

  88. Okay PUR…see what you did to Rooster? You slapped her across the face with that comment. “You are wrong”. Sheesh.

  89. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Just the other day I was in the $ store and picked up a lovely book that had a picture of a cat and hamster on the cover. It had blank pages for me to glue articles and pictures into that otherwise would have been thought as scrap. Books came in all different sizes and colors. There was even a book with the picture of a squid on the front. There was one that had different shapes that reminded me of cheese.

  90. PUR said

    Ms. Hagzilla,

    Can we please agree to disagree and just give me the benefit of the doubt? If it doesn’t affect you either way, and it does affect me, can you please refrain from doing this? I have asked many times very nicely. I have explained why. Outing people is always wrong in all online forums. I think we can all agree with that. And please know that I have been very consistant about not wanting others to be outed, as I also do not want to be outed. Golden Rule and all.

    Thank you,

    PUR

  91. Curious, along with Missy the Cat said

  92. Curious, along with Missy the Cat said

    That was weird because I really did type something there before…

    It was *waving Hi to HH and Sickie!”

  93. PUR said

    Okay, I am really late for where I have to be. Can we all just get along and work toward peace?

  94. foxspirit1 said

    TC would NOT have removed the thread. I asked her to remove one of mine. She told me no, absolutely not. I requested to be blacked out when she banned me and she refused that too. I didn’t share anything I was ashamed of, but as the environment was more hostile, I wanted less out there for new people, and TC to read.

  95. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    But I’m did not even mention the dreaded word….. Golden rule is more than just not wanting to out someone. You broke it many times and sorry I don’t feel like playing nice, because you haven’t. Did your shitty treatment of others even play into the golden rule?????? Did your sarcasm enter into the golden rule??????? Did your provoking discord enter into the golden rule. Its funny that you mention the golden rule, when you don’t seem to get the concept yourself. So you don’t like me talking about scraps, books, cheese, cats, last time I checked it was a free country and these words are in the dictionary for free use.

  96. Duh said

    All of us? I don’t know. You see, I have a problem with folks that condone Tracy’s bullshit.

    My theory is, if SMART, NICE people stop hanging around MEAN, DEVIOUS people, the MEAN, DEVIOUS people will learn to be SMART and NICE.

    So in my opinion, you are harboring, aiding, and abetting a known meanie.

  97. formerlyPLZ said

    LOL Dana.

    *waves to HH, Sickie, and Curious*

    SCRAPBOOKING!!

  98. foxspirit1 said

    Duh, you were banned before I started, but I said something to TC about the hate mail several times, and was basically told to bugger off and not go to the thread. I didn’t say it on the board b/c I was trying to play nice, I did it in PM…which I now don’t have access too, so she can deny it all she wants.

  99. RaininOnMyParade said

    What about all the lies you spread about me, PUR?

  100. RaininOnMyParade said

    I missed something when I was one. Who scrapbooks? I don’t get it.

  101. Duh said

    Is it abetting or abedding? Abedding sounds like there’s some lesbian action going on, so I’m sticking with abetting.

  102. Duh said

    They don’t scrapbook, they douche with scissors that cut funny edges and pretty stickers.

    It gets messy.

  103. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    ROFL DUH, I just splorfed my scottie all over the computer screen as I was looking up scrapbooking supplies……..

    I’m such a bitch… Sorry I can’t help myself now. Haggie definitely needs to do something different, maybe I will try running with the scissors the next time I go into another room for my scrapbooking stuff.

  104. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Handing PUR the gas can to pour more fuel on the fire……..

  105. PUR said: That the info was posted here was ill-gotten gains in the first place as it was told privately in extreme confidence.

    You told over 8 people that I can count off the top of my head on two different conference calls. I see you have no accountability STILL for your own actions.

  106. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Like I said Sickie, Handing PUR the gas can to pour more fuel on the fire…..

  107. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    Sickie, I think you are the scapegoat here, because she can’t remember who the other people were. Plausible?

  108. THIS IS SO FUCKING RIDICULOUS!

    The idea that someone could take a SCREEN NAME and a SIMPLE NOUN like “scrapbook” and equate that with OUTING is RIDICULOUS!

    Here, let me “out” myself…. (by PUR’s definition)

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed and Airlines

    now, I challenge you to FIND ME…! Not just a challenge, a TRIPLE DOG DARE!

    First one wins $5. No cheaters. (This means you Shortcake.)

    Honestly, PUR, if someone wants to find you, they will. End of story. Ask Tracy – she probably already has your home address, social security number and mother’s maiden name saved on an excel spreadsheet along with all of your IP addresses and account passwords.

  109. jazzycat said

    SHMNBN: Good point.

  110. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    SWMNBN This is exactly what several people have said over and over today. So now the word scrapbook has been erased from the modern day lexicon

    Ridiculous!

  111. I have a scrapbook from my wedding. It is so beautiful. I really ought to scan a copy of my scrap book and post it on my blog to share with you.

    I enjoy scrapbooking, but I don’t get my stuff from MLMers. I go to craft shops, etc.

    Scrapbooking can be a really nice activity, and relieve stress. It is also a good outlet for creativity. I highly recommend it!

    Hooray for scrapbooking!

  112. a wise woman said

    tracy has outed me and other people she is not to be trusted..!!!

  113. Daisy said

    Yesterday it was pads. Today it’s douching. Enough already!!!
    It’s enough to give a girl a yeast infection. 😉

  114. I think at this point, Tracy WOULD take the info down. She would time it well, though, to gain the most not only from it being up but also in the ceremonious taking down…and there would be no apology for doing so.

    That being said, it’d be great if now she WOULD add an apology for that from here on out, just to prove me wrong.

    I’m tellin’ ya, PUR…add “hookers” to the end and you are golden. yes, I’m kidding but you have to admit it would be funny…wouldn’t it?

  115. Duped said

    Okay, enough is enough. Really, banning this and that???? What the fuck??? You are getting soft, Duh. Seriously, I think this is nothing but PUR trying to see if she can control what goes on in your blog. Fucktards.

    This is just retarded. I seriously hope you are all joking, because if we can’t even say the fucking word scrapbooking without getting told we are outing someone, I am fucking out of here. It would make it just like PT with all those fucking ***’s all over the goddamn place.

    *rant over* Okay, now I’ll refresh and see what else transpired while I had some fun in the sun.

    Fart knockers.

  116. Strawberry Shortcake said

    Well crap SHMNBN, I could use $5.

  117. YoU AiN't No dAisY said

    WHAT IN THE HOLY HELL IS GOING ON HERE???????

    I step away for a week or so, and PUR is suddenly posting here? WTF? What happened? Somebody give me the readers’ digest version please!

    As to outing her – oh who cares – leave her alone. But I have to chuckle, because look at her begging everyone here to have mercy on her, after she trashed all of us continually based on nothing but lies from Tracy.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  118. PUR said

    RaininOnMyParade, I don’t know who you are. So I do not know what you are talking about. What lies?

    Ms. Hagzilla, I am here offing sincere apologies all around for my past careless speech. I am working hard to guard my tounge. Golden Rule here on out, okay? You and me both? Truce? Deal?

    Daisy, Dana, etc… I sincerely wish you and other PU consultants all the best. Seriously. Attacking the current or former consultants is not the answer when debating MLM either side. I really believe that now.

    She Who Must Not Be Named, I don’t know if what you said in that last sentence is true or not… but the fact is that Tracy has never done anything to harm me in any way, our interaction have been focused and professional. The folks here HAVE done what y’all accuse PT of since my MLM was posted repeatedly and the personal attacks keep on coming. I came here believing the best in the posters here, that there are actual humans — even mothers, sisters, daughters, wives, and an occasional duhman — behind these screens, and hoped for honest and open discourse without fear of outing — as advertised.

    I am still hopeful that I have not simply wasted two days of my life here and that we can have some sort of breakthrough. I am human. I make mistakes. I am learning from them. I faced my fear to come look at the ugly mirror you all have held up to my face, and I am trying to make sense of it all. Okay?

  119. Not a Bee-liever said

    Okay by me.
    It is harsh to exploit the very thing that a woman has admitted she is insecure about. In this case I mean that if a poster here on Duh’s blog thinks it’s funny to do the opposite of what PUR has politely asked everyone not to do, then that poster could be considered a bully. I am someone who considers that mean behavior bullyish. It doesn’t put a label on the person, but it does put a label on the behavior. I personally would not make fun of someone’s admitted insecurities. I hope others will respect PUR and give her a break in this particular instance.

    Tactfully yours,
    dipshit #1

  120. Duh said

    I’m OD’ing on drama. Seriously. This shit has got to stop.

    Nobody’s life is ruined. Every single one of us is going to get up from the computer tonight and go to sleep and dream of apple dumplings and marzipan.

    This is the last I’m saying on the subject of outing, but please continue on after me.

    PUR- If you are REALLY this worried about people finding out who you are, you would have left this blog and PT and never looked back. The fact that you haven’t done that tells me that this is not a life ruining disaster. So leave the drama for yo mama. Nobody here is trying to track your ass down.

    NAB- It may be bullying that people keep baiting PUR. The ones that keep doing it will probably openly admit that they are bullying and laugh at you for pointing it out.

    All the “Bullies”- Go ahead and say what you want. As long as I don’t see names/phone numbers/addresses, you’re golden. I shouldn’t have cow towed to PUR’s wishes. I was WRONG.

    Good Lord I’m sick of this. PUR, if you don’t like what we have to say here, then GO AWAY. If you want to take the heat and EVENTUALLY be one of the gals, then go ahead.

  121. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    Pur,

    I guess what would satisfy me is that you look at three situations and really think about what role you played in them, in each and every instance, from my persepctive as an observer you came in on something that had absolutely nothing to do with you.

    1) The trader thread, where you boo’d and smited people who were doing nothing wrong, you took issue with it, if you had really read what they were talking about they were making a trade of MK drek or enquiring if anyone would order something for them, which is fine because it wasn’t at retail, it was between IBCs.

    2) Imauzer and Sickie. In that instance you came in like a tornado at the end when it had been settled. I too took issue with what Imauzer said, it implied all women who signed onto MK were dumb/stupid. Sickie tried to set that straight for all of us, she did and then you came in and opened up the can of ugly crawly PT worms again, after it had been settled. This resulted in privvies going poof.

    3) The Busty anxiety thread, you hadn’t been seen on that thread unless you had been lurking all along with the hidden button, I don’t know if your still doing it, but it creates an air of mistrust. You stuck your nose in their again and stirred the pot. I don’t know if you had seen the JWUT thread with the woman who was talking suicide, which was far worse than the anxiety thread, but at my last look before I left PT, you hadn’t even chimed in there to say stop diagnosing, etc, and that was by far worse.

    You want slack from me then answer my questions, take more ownership for what you did to Sickie, because that did result in her getting banned. Maybe I am beating a dead horse, but that is how I feel.

    You are extremely lucky because NAB has tried like hell to go to bat for you and actually incurred the wrath of many, including mine. As for mere words of apology, I don’t post on PT anymore, nor do I visit, its unhealthy. So I will just have to take your word for it that you are trying.

    NAB I would like to propose a truce at this point between you and I. We may never see eye to eye and hell that’s fine with me. BTW I like your tagline Dipshit#1. You can call me Bitch#1

  122. Starr said

    OMG– this is the twilight zone.

  123. Dizzy from the Dastardly ways of Tracy said

    Tracy is a fucktard. If you associate with her, you lose your own credibility.

    And quit fucking whining about being “outed” on your MLM. No one gives a flying fuck and no one from your supposed MLM prolly even knows this blog exists. So take a deep breath and a few shots of Captn and you’ll be just fine.

    PUNANIS!

  124. Not a Bee-liever said

    I would like to accept your truce and I would also like you to please not be mean to my friend. And I mean that in the most un-highschool-like way.

    Respectfully yours,
    dipshit #1

  125. PUR said

    Duh,

    Okay. I see have overstayed my welcome here. I’ll leave. Be well.

    Respectfully,

    PUR

  126. PUR said

    Shoot I type on sentence and then there are more posts to answer. Should I stay, or should I go?

  127. Dizzy from the Dastardly ways of Tracy said

    PUR,

    Here’s a little advice fo ya. If you wanna hang with us bitches that’s totally cool. But chill with the freakout comments, the bible comments, disputing, “fake” apologizing, disputing, etc. None of us are here for that bullshit. If we wanted that bullshit we would have stayed over in PT Crazyland. Also, if you want ANY credibility whatsoever, you need to:

    A. Leave PT aka Tracy the fucktard
    B. Make TRUE ammends with the folks you hurt
    C. Get your panties out of a wad and lighten the fuck up
    D. Quit saying “peace to all”. It’s fucking annoying and sounds condescending as hell

    Yep, that pretty much sums it up. I’m sure I can hand out more advice as it comes.

    HOOKERS!

  128. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    NAB – I won’t promise something I can’t deliver, she didn’t answer my questions so all bets are off. You want to defend her go ahead, but please for fuck sakes don’t do it here. I’m offering you at truce, not an apology and I am not going to change how I feel about PUR and the issues that have been raised. Let me ask you something is she really your friend???? I mean really, you openly admitted that she was shitty to you and you accepted the behavior.
    I still think it is the underdog syndrome, here. NAB I honestly don’t want to hear the same rant about PUR from the last two days, because you can’t and won’t change my mind, only PUR can do that. I believe she is trying, but I also think she still hasn’t taken ownership of her role in events. Doesn’t it seem odd to you that there are quite a few, I’d say at least a dozen on here who have had some sort of nasty PT encounter with PUR? We can’t all be lying or making things up? I don’t think it is coincidence or isolated incidences.

    Maybe you should make up with TC and go back to PT where you can hang with PUR.

    Not drinking the PT coolaid anymore, not doing this stupid drama fest anymore. I think the whole thing is ridiculous.

    SKANKAZOIDS

  129. Dizzy from the Dastardly ways of Tracy said

    God Lord I couldn’t figure out who NAB was. Finally got it. Damn it’s been a long week

  130. What What said

    I haven’t commented here in a long while, but I’ve been reading every day. I’ve been very entertained, but didn’t feel I had a right to comment on something I don’t know anything about. I was never a PTer – I have an account over there but never actively participated because I already had a home at another anti-MK forum with some cool women so I didn’t really see the point in dividing my time between the two. And honestly, I have always thought TC was a bit of a bitch, so I didn’t feel compelled to play in her sandbox. However, all this hoopla over here in the last few days has been enough to drag me off the bench. I thought it was kind of cool of PUR to show up here and offer “apologies” until I realized that these so called apologies were a bunch of fluff. I’m all for turning a new leaf and trying to better yourself, yada yada yada, but to demand apologies of other people and claim you’re being “outed” because the name of your MLM was mentioned is completely ridiculous! Hello, you drew attention to it by whining about it – I didn’t even think twice about it until you kept calling attention to it by asking Duh to remove it. It appears to me, as someone who has no history with PUR or other PTers whatsoever, that the only thing that came from PUR’s arrival was a bunch of DRAMA! I’ve enjoyed the snarky comments and jabs, but perhaps we should move on and let PUR be PUR – despite her claims, she still seems to want to cast blame on others and why let her ruin the cool bitchfest we have going on here. Plus, I don’t want Duh to go on another month long hiatus. Just my two cents…

    HoBagGs!

  131. Duh said

    What What! Where the hell you been girl? I was just singing your song yesterday!

  132. Daisy said

    So now I’m confused. No worries– it happens all the time, but I am asking for some clarification. I hope it will help with the dizziness. ha ha

    Was the name of PUR’s MLM ever divulged? Or was it just the product of her MLM?

  133. Duh said

    It was Daisy, but I was nice enough to take it down.

    See, I can be NICE like Tracy.

  134. NAB as cool as weez are together…I gotta offer you some advice. Just stating “don’t be mean to my friend” aint gunna cut it around here.

    If you have SOLID proof that PUR did not hurt women here, chastize them, belittle them and bully them then by all means speak up. Until then….respectfully STFU.

    Dipshit #2

  135. What What said

    I’ve been around – just laying low. And its so easy to have the “What What” song stuck in your head. For you newbies, here’s your chance to experience it too! https://somecallmeduh.wordpress.com/2007/05/15/what-what/#comments

  136. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    Daisy we need to call you Skankzilla, you need a less than pure name. The only thing that was said was the type of MLM she did. As for the name anyone could figure it out, because all you would had to do is type in scrapbook ~ fuck off I don’t care I said it, so kill me. Its ridiculous anyway. There is probably only one company anyway.

    SKANKAZOIDS

  137. YoU AiN't No dAisY said

    FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

    BOO-YAH!!!

    where’s my fucking liquor? cuz this looks like a good night.

    Now, what are we fighting about….?

  138. Dizzy from the Dastardly ways of Tracy said

    It took me a while to figure out what STFU meant….why don’t you just say it…

    SHUT THE FUCK UP

    There, doesn’t that feel better?

    PUNANIS!

  139. Duh said

    poo nahny

    yep yep

  140. Dizzy from the Dastardly ways of Tracy said

    HAHAHA DUH I’m so proud that you figured that one out. Wanna edumacate peeps on what it means?

  141. PC said

    heeeeeeey, I wanna put a comment in here. I’ve got no idea what’s going on but I need to ask, since PUR appears to actually be here in the flesh (sorta, kinda..)

    PUR: Just so you know, I was never jealous of Tracy, ever. I never did anything to hurt her at all, and remained silent about her until long after I was banned and found out she was calling me a dirty slut.

    I know she’s fed you a heaping mound of lies about me in particular, because of the nature of our past association (and my project and everything)….I just want you to know that everything she’s said about me is a lie. And how can you know that I’m telling the truth? You can ask any of the 50 or so women who witnessed the last year’s events. None of them back up Tracy. Says a lot, doncha think?

    anyway. I can’t keep up with this crazy place anymore. sigh.

  142. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    Sigh I see sadly after two days nothing has changed. Its still the same NAB is defending her friend, PUR won’t own up to shit. And we are still smashing our heads against the proverbial wall. I’m going to watch the Bionic Woman instead.

    The WWF PT smackdown suit is chafing too bad after wearing it for two days, I can’t stand the tights anymore they are cutting off the circulation. Hey 16 vestal virgins, I’m handing you a tag off……

    SKANKAZOIDS

  143. Duh said

    Dizzy,
    I believe it’s sort of like a beef curtain, right?

  144. One of Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    ring the bell, i’m doing a flying heiny manuever into the ring haggie. btw thanks for the tihgts they are really purty

  145. Hey 16 vv — I gotta bone to pick with you. PUR’s thinkin you know stuff about her. Do you? And if you do, how did you find it out? She’s claiming you know her address, phone number, etc. etc. Hell I don’t even know her address. LOL Who’d she spill her guts to THIS time?

  146. One of Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    aw hell – i’ll be right back with the google earth snapshot i’m so friggin busted

  147. One of Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    hold on

  148. OK, I read through half of these or so and am going to bed after this post. Forgive me if I repear something said, but Duh only gave us freedom of our speech here. No moderation as long as full names and “real outting” of people were not happening. Slight references to your life or business without details IS NOT OUTING. If you think it is, you are SOL. At least that’s what I thought. So get over and beyond it already. This is ridiculous. Not to mention making DUH do all this extra work will ruin it here. It’s supposed to be a FREE forum. Just follow the ONLY rule and have some fucking fun!

  149. One of Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    and for the rest of you PISSANTS i don’t know sh*t about PUR except scrapbook. she took that and ran with it i didnt have ot do a thing

  150. One of Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    pur get a grip on yourself and bak away frm the computer. u do need a good long reest

  151. PUR said

    Okay, I’m back. Give me a minute to catch up, okay?

  152. Daisy said

    Okay, I’m confused again. I thought the MLM in question had to do with feminine hygiene.

    No?

  153. PUR said

    One of sixteen,

    I don’t know what Sickie is going on about. She is twisting words from another thread. I don’t think you know that. Damn!

  154. One of Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    look everybody! i googled: PUR +scrapbook*

  155. One of Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    http://www.daisiecompany.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1592

  156. Duh said

    Looks like my grandma’s stationary.

  157. One of Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    pretty damning stuff aint it? i’d be worried too

  158. Not a Bee-liever said

    I’m not saying that people shouldn’t be angry at PUR. If you feel angry that’s okay. The thing is, this trash is going to be floating in internet space for a looooooooooooooooong time. So if you are angry and you say something in anger you might regret it a few days later and wish you hadn’t said it. I’m not defending what she did to other people by saying that it was excuseable. I just think that retaliation in anger is mean-spirited and could cause regret in the future.

    dipshit #1

  159. PUR did you or did you not say this: I did not share my MLM or product with you or anyone else on a public or private forum. Along with my name, address, phone number, etc. Interesting that you should think you know me. I wonder who fed you your information? Hmmmm????

  160. One of Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    duh didn’t i lend you my “cloud b gone” spray?

  161. 16 vv that link looks like daisy is selling scrapbook supplies. LOL

  162. One of Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    well i try to liten it up and a big blakc cloud just rolled in

  163. One of Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    me lurves honest daisy. shes a gem

  164. PUR said

    Duh,

    Yep, there are transcripts. Today I hate the internet.

    I just read a private room (named “Sickie”) chat transcript from PT where Sickie told MrsMetaphor and MWT what my MLM was waaaaaaay back in December mere days after I privately shared it with her and she swore she would never tell. She went on to say some really nasty things about me and how she thinks I should be removed from Chat Mod. Funny thing, I did have my chat mod status removed shortly after.

    I don’t want to send them to you. I wish I could scrub my brain. Maybe MrsM can confirm that such a convo took place? Otherwise what else is there? Is it a fake? I almost cannot believe my eyes.

    And Sickie was so friendly to me throughtout the ordeal. I am so confused and hurt like I’ve been punched in the gut I am going to go be sick now.

    This is why gossip sucks. She gossiped, they listened, it gets back to me and I wish I could go back to believing that Sickie did not really betray me the milisecond she befriended me. I am so stupid.

  165. Duh said

    Not a Bee-
    You DO know that her real name is not PUR, right?

    I don’t understand what you guys think. One day you’ll be walking down the street, and some lady you pass will give you a double take? After a few seconds she’ll yell, “PUR” and instinctively you’ll turn. Uh oh. Busted. You turn and start to run as the lady chases you. “PUR, I KNOW it’s YOU!!” she bellows. Other people on the street gasp as they realize who you are. “Get her!” they yell. “Don’t let her get away,” you hear as you race down the street knocking over old ladies and tripping over little kids. “Excuse me, excuse me,” you pant until you realize it’s not use. You slip to the ground crying as the crowd pushes against you. And then there’s nothing but darkness.

    The End

  166. YoU AiN't No dAisY said

    WOOT!

    still confudes. i mean confuesd. i mena confused. oh hell.

    now, don’t anybody take this the wrong way, but…..all of you whores need to let go of the stupid PUR/mlm stuff, and focus on the big picture: Tracy is a bitch, and PUR is her muff-comb.

    just sayin’

  167. Hagzilla/bitchzilla with pms said

    Fuck I’m gong to bed. I’ve got a splitting headache from this shit and it aint ever gonna be solved. There are too many people who loke to go in circles.

    In the grand scheme of life this means shit!

    Skankazoids! Good for you Virgie, just don’t hurt yourself doing those flying hiney manoeuvers, you don’t want to dislocate a private part! Oh and sometimes they make you fart.

  168. Daisy said

    *gasp*

    Me? Sell *those* kinds of things?
    Take it back, you… you… MEANIE!!!

    Thanks, btw Virgie. Did I know you in another blog life?

  169. Duh said

    WHY would anyone show you that? That seems REALLY cruel. I mean, if someone I knew was talking about someone else, I’d probably change the subject (if it was a minor offense) or tell them off (if it was a good friend of mine). I certainly wouldn’t tell my friend, IN DETAIL, what the other person said. Why would I hurt her feelings like that?

  170. PUR said

    PC, I hear you. I’m sorry. Good luck with everything.

  171. PC said

    OKay – I know we all like to pile on PUR for being Tracy’s hellish handmaiden and all…..

    BUT, I for one completely believe this story she just told about Sickie in chat in December.

    Because I had my own personal dealings with Sickie, and I know for a fact she’s a couple nuts short of a squirrel pie.

    Yeah. I said it.

  172. Duh said

    I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I’m just saying that it seems like SOMEBODY wanted to start some shit and see what happened.

    BTW, if anyone emails me with some piddle fart detail of their life and says, “SHHH, don’t tell anybody. It’s a SECRET” save it, OK? I can’t remember my own damn secrets. I don’t need yours too.

  173. Thanks PC. That’s nice of you, I appreciate that.

    PUR wanna fess up to what YOU said about PC?????

  174. PC said

    DUH – you know that these chat room transcripts from December came directly from Tracy.
    So at least PUR has finally been honest here about Tracy reading all the transcripts from chat.
    Now I can’t wait to hear about how Tracy changes people’s passwords so she can read their PMs.
    You know this is better than soaps. It really is. Because real life is always way stupider than TV.

  175. PC said

    YAY!
    Sickie, since PUR and I don’t even know each other, anything nasty she said about me will have been under the influence of Tracy.

    Ergo, I don’t care anymore. If she called me a dirty dog-licking whore I will find it highly amusing at this point, but that’s about all.
    LOL

  176. Duh said

    Tracy’s gonna be pissed.

    PUR, we’re all wondering…
    did you and Tracy have a little falling out or something? If not, I think you will be pretty soon.

  177. Duh said

    BTW, PC is a slut. I thought we already established that?

  178. One of Sixteen Vestal Virgins said

    waitin patiently for purs reply

    waiting music found at: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pYhbGBAdZJg

  179. PC said

    oh yeah forgot my tagline!!

    SLUT #2

    thanks for reminding me.

  180. PC said

    16VV – that made me bust out laughing. thanks.

  181. PUR, if you’ve seen the transcripts then I don’t think you need me to confirm that the conversation took place, unless you don’t trust Tracy’s transcripts. But since you asked, they are accurate. Sickie did tell us. I can’t remember the context and I can’t remember the mod part. I thought the mods were all removed at the same time. I checked in one day at chat and the mods were gone, that’s all I knew of it. I’m not deflecting here…just doing what you asked…confirming it.

  182. Man, I really could use some popcorn.

    POOTIE TANG. (I have no idea what that means. I just like saying it).

  183. Duh said

    It’s the Pootie they drink on the space shuttle!

  184. Duh said

    I want to see some PT chat logs? Why the hell can’t I get moles with chat room logs?

    You guys aren’t worth NUTHIN!

  185. PUR said

    Ms. Hagzilla,

    Sorry this response is late, tried to post earlier…

    1. The ISO thread. I could tell the whole darn story, but a non-consultant was seeking an item that can only be purchased with a $200 qualifying order from an active consultant. I stepped in to remind that this type of solicitation goes against the mission of PT and chaos ensues. Hurt feelings and misunderstandings all around. It was a mess. Topic gets deleted by the topic starter (yes, you can delete your own topics on the trading boards) and 8 hours later it was reposted and locked and stickied with a clarifying note from Tracy. Yada, yada yada, you know the rest of the story. OKAY. So I have apologized for smiting her karma in response to a very rude post to me. I took a purest stance that abusive posts qualifies for a smite. Posts you like get a karma boost. Goodness knows that smite button is a hot one, if more folks just smited me instead of being pissed off silently for months on end until erupting over here I would have learned something constructive much earlier. Anyway, I think I could have handled that whole situation better if I would have just sent a PM or something instead of jumping in. The fact remains that that type of ISO post still does not belong on PT. Maybe any other more MLM friendly forum. Oh well, in the end too much human casualty for such a hairsplitting point. I feel terrible and have learned from this.

    2. That poor MK husband. What a welcome he got! Too bad that thread is gone, because you would need to go back and really look at it again. I had no idea things were settled — it looked terrible what was being said to him IMO so I let him know he was welcome at PT. Sickie apparently smited me twice in the aftermath. I did not even see them both because Tracy removed them. I do not know if that was the 9,992nd or the 9,993rd straw that broke the camel’s back between them. It is just a day in the life of a board, and that was just one itty bitty thread. Dang. Nothing to be getting banned over, so there must be more to it!!! And it really had nothing to do with me. So in essence, we will all never know all of the things that ever went down between them — but maybe we each have a tiny piece of the incomplete puzzle.

    3. I actually don’t read all the threads at PT. There are too many. I liked talking about MLM, and sometimes I check into threads that never go away on my unread topics list. When I read the plz thread I kinda freaked out about all the recommendations and mental health diagnosis going on. And stupid me, I did not just PM her with my concerns. I commented on the thread. Uhg. How dumb is THAT?!?! So I apologized to her THREE times already. Twice publicly and once privately. Short of never doing it again and self-flagellation I don’t know what else you want from me.

  186. mrs m – I have come to you COUNTLESS times asking you if I said anything I shouldn’t have about PUR. EACH TIME you said I did not. Now you say this? At least you could have been honest with me.

    PUR, if you have transcripts that say I outted your MLM then so be it. I apologize.

    Good night. I know you are waiting for me to go to bed so you can trash me again tonight PUR. Have at it.

  187. PUR said

    mrsm,

    I was removed from mod first. It was embarrassing, at best.

  188. Duh said

    Oh no. Sickie’s taking her toys and going home.

    PUR-
    I don’t understand your post. In #1 you say that people should smite you if you say something they don’t like. In #2 you say the when Sickie did smite you, it was the catalyst for her losing privileges. You must know that if any of Tracy’s friends get smited on PT, that person will be tortured to death, right? Wait, was that too dramatic? I mean, that person will lose the ability to PM and give karma.

  189. Daisy said

    PUR, do you think that since you didn’t actually SEE the smitings, that they never really existed and it was something Tracy made up to gain your favor and cast suspicion on Sickie?

  190. Sickie apparently smited me twice in the aftermath. I did not even see them both because Tracy removed them.

    Now that is a FUCKING LIE! PERIOD END OF DISCUSSION. I gave anne two good karmas and said: two replace the karma PUR unfairly took from you.

  191. Sickie:
    You did ask me and HONESTLY I had forgotten until the transcripts were revealed…in your defense, you did ask me many times if you ever told me her MLM and I was like, “I don’t remember you telling me that…”

    So you are right, you asked and I answered incorrectly but I was not being dishonest. I just had put it out of my head probably as soon as you said it. I didn’t know or care about PUR and therefore I didn’t care about which MLM she was in.

    I’m sorry, Sickie….I wish I had been able to recall that earlier. I hope you’ll believe that I’m sincere in my addlebrained-ness. It’s a flimsey excuse but it’s the only one I have.

  192. Duh said

    And ONCE AGAIN, why is TRACY the one deciding who gets what information here? Is Tracy just trying to hurt your feelings PUR? Did you not even question her motives in giving you all this info?

  193. Duh said

    Haha Mrs. That’s so convenient!

    I think Colonel Mustard did it in the Billiard Room with the lead pipe.

  194. PUR – Tracy couldn’t stand your ass. You were on moderation more times than not on the blog.

    Run on back to Tracy and get your pats on the back for posting with the big meanies.

  195. Duh said

    PUR weren’t you banned from PT at one time? Or at least something is up with your account where your earlier posts are listed as “guest”?

  196. yeah mrs, I wish you would have remembered it too cuz I sure as hell don’t.

    And I’ve asked REPEATEDLY and i mean REPEATEDLY for someone to call me on it if I did it.

    I’m sorry PUR. I’m very very sorry.

  197. PUR said

    Duh, I have no idea what to say. Other than if I say something rude on PT, then by all means hit that smite button on PT. I learn pretty fast. That particular day, I was beyond polite to the new member and never even addressed Sickie. I never complained, never even saw the second of two smites that came flying out of the blue. Cannot answer to why she lost anything because that whole exchange was between her and Tracy.

    It is a board! We are all adults. Too much drama. I’ve so had it.

    Yes, I am asking for negative karma on PT. If I lose hold of my toungue ever again on PT, please PM me and if you are really pissed go ahead and smite me. I should know better by now and would probably deserve it.

  198. Duh said

    Hey Mrs. Now that your memory has cleared up, can you tell us about the conversation? Was Sickie like, “OOOHHH I have a secret?” or was it like, “Yeah PUR is in that MLM” ? Do you remember?

    PUR-
    I’m sure Sickie would like to know the content of that conversation, and hey who am I kidding, we want to know too.

  199. Duh said

    So why did Tracy tell you about all this stuff PUR? Did she have an explanation?

  200. PUR said

    Huh. Now I’m confused. OK then, smite offer still stands to all who can still post on PT.

  201. I don’t remember the context AT ALL…so maybe Tracy can email the transcripts over and we can see.

  202. never even saw the second of two smites that came flying out of the blue

    What did the first smite supposedly say?

  203. Duh said

    Why do you think that Tracy sent you chat logs, etc. of people talking about you behind your back? Why would she do that do you think?

  204. PUR said

    Duh,

    It was pretty low down dirty. Right up your alley. You would love it. But I gotta stop the gossip buck here. Please allow me a chance to pick myself back up and get myself back on the straight and narrow.

    PUR

    *yoga breathing*

  205. very convenient PUR. No proof?

  206. Duh said

    This is what I’m saying. Sickie is the type of person that gets her feelings hurt easily (or she used to). PUR seems to be sensitive under that hard linebacker exterior. So sometimes with sensitive people, a little comment here or a remark there leads to hurt feelings. Maybe not BADLY hurt because the person that got hurt will probably let it slide eventually if it’s left alone. BUT if you have someone making a mountain out of every little mole hill, the sensitive person may feel more and more hurt instead of just getting over it like they normally would.

    Do you see where I’m going with this?

  207. Duh said

    OH, I’m low down and dirty?
    Do you have something you’d like to say to me then? And here I was the whole time thinking that I was gonna get off scot free!

  208. Duh said

    All I have to say is you better back it up. Don’t give me some general “you’re a bitch cause you’re a bitch” argument.

  209. I like how you keep accusing me of more and more stuff pur but you don’t answer the specifics. Ignore me all you want…you’re no saint.

  210. Duh said

    Bitch, you had BETTER be fucking typing a book right now. LOL

  211. Mentally Fucked by Tracy said

    fuck i’m not going to smite pur, why? because i will get that “you’ve been banned for abusing the karma button”

  212. Mentally Fucked by Tracy said

    that and tracy would ban everyone that smited PUR because she watches this blog like a hawk

  213. Daisy said

    PUR, you can’t hide behind the “gossip” veil. You don’t get to throw out little insults like the “low down and dirty” one, and then step up on your gossip pedestal and pull the curtains tightly around you.

    You are part of this. Repeating information about YOURSELF is not gossip. T

    This is what you and Tracy did to the people who left PT during “The Exodus”. You both refused to give any real information about what was going on at the expense of “hurting” someone, but while doing that, your posts were full of insinuations about those same people you were pretending to protect.

    Sometimes you have to get down off your high horse and get low down and dirty. When you sit like royalty on your purebred stallion, the peasants are gonna revolt and pull you off of it.

    I’m just sayin…

  214. PUR, since it was MY conversation and Sickies then maybe you could do us the courtesy of at least sending it to us…after all, if the conversation is MINE then no one really has any business reading it outside of me and sickie and MWT, don’t you think? Doesn’t this fit with your sense of GOSSIP? Now you’ve seen a private conversation between three people and you are not in it as a participant. Tracy is reading people’s PRIVATE conversations, keeping the transcripts and showing them around.

    Now, I’ll be the first to admit that if I was trashing you that is 100% wrong…but I don’t remember trashing you…I barely remember the conversation at all…so why don’t you do us the favor or refreshing our memories with the transcript by email. You know mine already.

  215. PUR said

    Duh,

    That was a feeble attempt at humor. I meant no disrespect, other than that for the transcript’s sick entertainment factor it would rate a 9.7 if you forgot there was an actual person being ripped to shreds, and oh– that person was me. So I’d rather it not see the light of day. Sickie gets a pass on that one so her groupies won’t ever know how viscious she can be. Maybe she has learned and would never do that to someone again. You know? Gosh I am too nice.

  216. And if you are all about not gossiping then why didn’t you confront the two of us (and MWT) with this instead of posting it here?

  217. Duh said

    Why don’t you send it to Sickie, PUR? If you claim she was so horrible, let her see it. She wants to, don’t you Sickie? And I’ll bet she apologizes for it.

  218. YES! I want to see it. I’m DISGUSTED with myself. I’ll give a thousand apologizies.

    Also, send the “supposed” smite comments.

  219. Duh said

    Yeah, I hope everyone caught that, BTW.

    Tracy is in fact reading chat room logs, saving them, and using them against people.

    Go Team Tracy!!

  220. The only person I feel like I owe an apology to at this point is Sickie. I’m sorry I put that out there before I talked to you about it first. After all, it was a conversation between us and mwt (and tracy apparently) and I should have put it out there to you first when I remembered it after reading PUR’s rant. It was a knee jerk and it was wrong. I was wrong.

  221. Duh said

    Hey PUR,
    I don’t mean to change the subject, but do you remember when Julz, Quig, and I tried to IM you, and you wouldn’t talk to us?

    Haha! Good times.

  222. PUR said

    Sickie,

    I know I am not a saint. I am as human as you and I am trying to learn from my mistakes. I am a wee angry at you right now, but I am not going to torture you further with your past careless words. I think I will even forgive you, but I know I can never trust you again with anything as important as friendship. So right now I cannot peel back this onion with you. I just need to sleep on it for like 40 nights or something to get a little clarity.

    Just don’t treat anyone else like that anymore, okay?

  223. Geez, Duh…do you have to make everything about you?

  224. PUR said

    Dang every time I type something you all post 20 more times. Slow down! I cannot keep up!

  225. Duh said

    Me Me ME!!

    NOPE, PUR!! You made the accusation. You need to send them what you have. That’s not fair. If you didn’t want to talk about it, then you should have kept it to yourself.

    Me thinks you don’t WANT an explanation about what was said.

  226. PUR: this might not be the way you mean it…but that last post sounded like you are “lording” this over us…Sickie in particular. Why are you so afraid to let us see it? Or even just let Sickie see it? She wants to do the upstanding thing here and you won’t let her…who are you to make that choice?

  227. PUR I understand why you are angry. I would be too. I WOULD!

    Honestly PUR, I am not looking to be friends with you, as you have damaged me as well. But thanks for not taking any responsibility for your actions.

    I promise to not treat anyone esle that way. That’s HORRID.

    Now can you say the same and stop slamming people on PT? And stop spreading rumors about me on the PT discussion board? They’re posted on this blog for all the world to see. You have YET to take responsbility for that.

  228. Mentally Fucked by Tracy said

    who the hell is mwt? my brain is a little slow tonight

  229. PUR said

    No I posted that comment in response to something way up there.

    I am not lording anything over her. I am saying I physically cannot hash out anything else because I am too angry and tired and sad. And I am reassuring her that I will not send the transcript to Duh for the amusement of the masses.

  230. PUR said

    MrsM,

    No I posted that comment in response to something way up there.

    I am not lording anything over her. I am saying I physically cannot hash out anything else because I am too angry and tired and sad. And I am reassuring her that I will not send the transcript to Duh for the amusement of the masses.

  231. Duh said

    OK, don’t send it to me. Send it to HER!!

  232. Mentally Fucked by Tracy said

    hey pur, you have administrative powers, right?

  233. Do you not even see how you taking part in HEARING about this from Tracy is gossip too, PUR? You have not even addressed that. I know you’re mad, I can understand that but you’ve been lecturing on gossip for the last how many months and you do this? I don’t get it.

  234. Duh said

    Hey guys, there’s gossip going around that Sickie said something really bad about PUR on PT chat?

    I heard that Mrs. was there.

    I heard that Sickie wants to cook PUR’s kids and eat them.

    Well I heard that Sickie thinks PUR stinks.

    See??? See what can happen? Why don’t you clear it up for Sickie right now, PUR and at least let her be able to defend herself.

  235. PUR said

    MrsM — I have a lot to learn. I will seek the answer and report back to you, if you like.

  236. PC said

    MWT = mademoiselle wisentimer. She left the crazy land a long time ago.

    PUR – I believe you about the chat room, because unfortunately I can see the whole thing going down. I remember when Sickie emailed me the first time you were banned. She was positively gleeful that you were gone. At the time I did not know you at all, so I couldn’t respond to Sickie’s email. Which is just as well, since I don’t even know why you were banned the first time.

    ON THE OTHER HAND. Tracy is obviously playing some dirty little games here with all of us, saving chat transcripts and then showing them around to people. I am absolutely sure that Tracy was involved in demonizing you, and it wasn’t just Sickie leading the charge.

  237. Duh said

    Seek the answer from who?

    God, I hope it’s not who I think it may be. I hope it is God though.

  238. I’d like to see the transcript PUR. That is the report I’d like.

  239. Duh said

    That’s what I’m saying PC!!! Tracy is telling people different stuff to cause a little drama. She’s so sad.

  240. Jeez PUR give it up already. I think you’ve milked this for all it’s worth.

    Yes, PC I was definitely happy that bullying PUR was no longer around. I got sick of her jumping everyone’s ass for nothing.

  241. PUR said

    Duh,

    Okay that was funny, too. Give me some credit, will ya?

    PUR

  242. Yes PC, Tracy was the head master of demonizing PUR. You got that right.

  243. PUR said

    Can you please pipe down for a second Sickie? No? Okay I cannot be here with you right now so I gotta go for now. Be well, everyone.

  244. Mentally Fucked by Tracy said

    Ugh, Tracy = Bitch.

  245. I imagine that Tracy must have it all alphabetized to have been able to access it so nicely.

  246. Duped said

    Jesus Titty Fucking Christ – you know what, all this back and fucking forth is making me sick to my stomach. All this “you gossiped about me” is driving me NUTS. Listen, fuckwads, people gossip. It happens, everyone does it (and if you say you don’t, you are FULL of shit, seriously). Deal with it. I have issues with you PUR, but really, I am not going to visit them. I don’t care – my life is too short and I have WAY better things to think about than what you may or may not have said. Who cares? I don’t. Whatever.

    I am sorry – you know I love you gals, but really, I am not involved in this “he said/she said” drama, nor do I care to be.

    PUR – if you want to stay, then stay. If you want to go, then go. Just know that some are not going to back off without a decent apology/email conversation with you if you DO stay. By all means – stay if you want.

    Right now, I could give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut who stays and who goes. I just know that this soap opera drama is racking up Duh’s hits on Google. LMAO

    Fart knockers. All o’ ya. 😛

  247. PC said

    OK guys, here’s an email from Sickie in December of 2006. She was emailing me about PUR’s MLM. At the time I didn’t even know who PUR was.

    “From: Pinkcadillac Shaw
    To: SICK NPINK
    Subject: Re: ssshhhhh…….
    Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 07:45:42 -0800 (PST)

    why on earth is this such a big secret??? I won’t tell anyone I promise, but it’ not that big of a deal!

    SICK NPINK wrote:

    PUR = ***(name of her MLM)***…………shhhh………….seriously! she’d KILL me if I told you!”

    So PUR isn’t full of crap on this one. LOL

    Dang i need popcorn.

  248. PUR you came here on your on accord to lord crap over me. Now you want me to pipe down? FUCK THAT!

  249. PUR, are you sending the email to me? I expect to see it in my inbox.

  250. jazzycat said

    Ya know, PUR, ya keep saying ya gotta go. So go already. Sheesh.

  251. PC said

    Sickie – pipe down.

    🙂

    And now I officially apologize for getting involved in all of this he said/she said. I couldn’t resist sorry.

  252. Mentally Fucked by Tracy said

    PUR you never answered my question–do you have administrative powers on PT? because that proves tracy’s a big fat fucking liar.

  253. Nice try PC. You knew who PUR was. You didn’t like her either. Get over yourself already.

  254. Am I the ONLY person who does not keep old emails and im’s or what? I delete and move on….for crying out loud.

  255. Ok, I’m going to bed…and I rue the day I ever found marykaysucks….sheesh. I’m going to go hang out with the “I hate George Bush” people tomorrow and see what I can find out.

  256. Duh said

    Poor Mrs. So innocent and naive.

    Welcome to the world of women.

  257. That’s “wimmin” to you Duh.

  258. Duh said

    Yeah, I’ve heard that one before.
    See you tomorrow Mrs!

  259. PC said

    Sickie = liar

    🙂

    I think I knew who PUR was by her screenname, but I had never spoken with her on the blog or privately, and knew nothing about her. Unlike you. And you spent all of your time emailing me gossip about lots of people. I still have the emails. I never said anything bad about PUR, as far as I can remember (and I looked through my old emails to see if I’d said anything mean about her, and couldn’t find anything.)

  260. jazzycat said

    MFBT: Don’t forget, TC also said that she can’t see PMs and she doesn’t keep chat transcripts. Thanks for confirming that she DOES, PUR.

  261. PC said

    Yeah i still can’t get over this. WHy the hec is PUR giving away Tracy’s secrets over here???????

    Somethin ain’t right with this picture.

  262. I guess PUR’s days are numbered now on PT. She confirmed what everyone here has been saying all along. Tracy will surely be pissed now!

  263. Duh said

    Watch what you say PC. Mrs. and Sickie said they didn’t remember either.

    Lord, don’t compare notes about me. You guys are a bunch of fucking freaks with this shit.

  264. Mentally Fucked by Tracy said

    Ohhhhh right!! Thanks jazzycat for reminding me!

  265. PC = liar backatcha. You were in several chats with PUR.

    YOU sent me tons of e-mails blabbing about people. I have those too. wanna start a war?

  266. jazzycat said

    I really need to go to bed, people …

  267. Duh said

    Can’t we just all admit that we’re a bunch of backstabbing bitches and get over this?? Come on.
    PC, do you really give a fuck what Sickie said about you?
    Sickie, do you really give a fuck what PC said about you?
    WTF??

    WE ALL SUCK. We all have shit on each other saying shit we shouldn’t be saying. I just called Tracy a horse face on an IM. Am I proud of it? No. Was it funny at the time? Hell yeah.

  268. Duh said

    FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

  269. PC said

    HMMMM

    you are right Duh. I think I probably did blabber about people with Sickie. She’s really easy to open up to.

    I’m just talking about PUR here – in that case, no, I never said anything about PUR because I DIDN’T KNOW HER!!! I told you – i’d never talked to her or anything!!

    geez. this is crazy.

  270. Duped said

    Oh, Duh…you are so endearing. I think I lurrrves you lots. LOL Horse face. That’s funny shit, right there.

    Fart knockers.

  271. Duh said

    yeah, but that doesn’t matter!! Just say you DID say something. Who the fuck cares!!??

    AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH!

  272. PC said

    well Duh, you all were flipping out on PUR, demanding that she show some proof of this convo where Sickie outed her….

    so I ponied up the proof so everyone could shut up. But now of course, I’m gonna get the crap thrown at me! LOL

    I’ve got a plastic sheet – GO AHEAD! I’m A BACKSTABBING BLABBERMOUTH!! TRACY WAS RIGHT ABOUT ME!! I AM A SLUT TOO!!

    anything else?

  273. Well PC I do believe you started slinging shit my way early on. What did you expect? Me to just say, oh thank you PC, I’ll take a double dose?

    FUCK THAT.

  274. PC said

    I’ll take “blog wars” for $600, Alex.

    “Tracy Coenen was an evil mastermind of what plot in the 2007 Mary Kay blog wars?”

    “What is …. “the Sickie and PUR mind-screw”?”

    “You are correct!”

  275. Duh said

    Well if she’s gonna talk about it for two fucking days, I thought that eventually she would show some proof. But the truth is, I really don’t give a shit. There’s like this bubble of blog around me. When I’m in the bubble, I act like I care and shit.

    The trouble is, I’m SOOOO tired that the bubble is bursting and I just can’t seem to summon the brain power to suspend real like and give a fuck. Hahaha!! I’m fucking delirious right now.

    So if I seem a little weird right now, and I’m not being my consistent self, that’s why.

    Like 10 minutes ago, I really cared. Now I just don’t care.
    IT JUST DOESN’T MATTER. IT JUST DOESN’T MATTER.

  276. The one and only Sally said

    5 days from now it will be on nationwide news… 73 women found dead at their computers.. due to dehydration, sleep deprivation, bleeding ( from typing ) fingers..and coincidenatally ….they were all on the same blog.

  277. PC said

    LOL sally

    the problem is that I didn’t care enough to even READ this blog for the last week – so I only came to this party tonight.

    So forgive me for STIRRING THE POT. I didn’t know this had been going on for 2 days.

  278. Duh said

    Oh Sally, if it weren’t true, maybe it would be funny.

    OMG, ROTFLMAO!!

  279. Duh said

    Fuck you for not reading my blog PC. WTH??

  280. PC said

    HEE HEE
    DID U SEE HOW I USED “stirring the pot” IN MY LAST POST? A WITTY REFERENCE TO TRACY’S INSANITY?

    I’ll take “Internet Lunatics” for $200, Alex

  281. Duh said

    I’m going to bed now.

    Feel free to talk shit about me behind my back. I don’t care. Do it.

  282. The one and only Sally said

    Does Pamperd Chef have Pot Stirrers?

  283. PC said

    Duh, we can only talk shit about you in your chat room.

    can u read those transcripts, btw?

  284. Duh said

    Yeah. They’re called spoons.

    Night all!

  285. Willie Lump Lump said

    *still catching up, but pausing for a sec* WAIT!! PUR wants people to smite her on PT now, BUT I thought the karma feature disappeared. It was gone last time i checked a week or so ago.

    WESS-SYEED!!

    *now back to reading*

  286. The one and only Sally said

    I refuse to go to bed thinking that Duh is the calmest one here.

  287. Duh said

    I don’t know PC. I can’t even get into my chat room. My Java is FUBARed.

  288. Duh said

    I’m gonna be REAL calm in about 2 minutes.
    I’m really going for real now.

  289. Mentally Fucked by Tracy said

    Woman: Oh. How do you do?
    Queen Duh: How do you do, good lady? I am Duh, Queen of the Duh People. Whose castle is that?
    Woman: Queen of the who?
    Queen Duh: Queen of the Duh People.
    Woman: Who are the Duh People?
    Queen Duh: Well, we all are. We are all Duh People. And I am your Queen.
    Woman: I didn’t know we had a queen. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
    Dennis: You’rw foolin’ yourself! We’re living in a dictatorship. A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working class…
    Woman: Oh, there you go bringing class into it again.
    Dennis: Well, that’s what it’s all about! If only people would…
    Queen Duh: Please, please, good people, I am in haste. Who lives in that castle?
    Woman: No one lives there.
    Queen Duh: Then who is your lord?
    Woman: We don’t have a lord.
    Dennis: I told you, we’re an anarco-sydicalist commune. We take it in turns to be a sort of executive officer for the week…
    Queen Duh: Yes…
    Dennis: …but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting…
    Queen Duh: Yes I see…
    Dennis: …by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs…
    Queen Duh: Be quiet!
    Dennis: …but by a two thirds majority in the case of…
    Queen Duh: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
    Woman: Order, eh? Who does she think she is?
    Queen Duh: I am your queen!
    Woman: Well, I didn’t vote for you.
    Queen Duh: You don’t vote for queens.
    Woman: Well, how did you become Queen, then?
    Queen Duh: The Lady of the Forum,…
    [angels sing]
    …her fingers clad against the purest shimmering mouse button, held aloft the ban button from the bosom of the forum signifying by Divine Providence that I, Duh, was to carry the weight of this blog to show how evil the Lady of the Forum is.
    [singing stops]
    That is why I am your queen!
    Dennis: Listen. Strange women in forums distributing banninations is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical cyber ceremony.
    Queen Duh: Be quiet!
    Dennis: Well, but you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just ’cause some fake fraud investigator tart threw you out!
    Queen Duh: Shut up!
    Dennis: I mean, if I went ’round saying I was an emperor just because some artificial bint had verboten me, they’d put me away!
    Queen Duh: Shut up, will you? Shut up!
    Dennis: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
    Queen Duh: Shut up!
    Dennis: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I’m being repressed!
    Queen Duh: Bloody peasant!
    Dennis: Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That’s what I’m on about. Did you see her repressing me? You saw it, didn’t you?

  290. Mentally Fucked by Tracy said

    damnit, my parody is too long.

    duh forgive me. i’ll cut this into parts

    Woman: Oh. How do you do?
    Queen Duh: How do you do, good lady? I am Duh, Queen of the Duh People. Whose castle is that?
    Woman: Queen of the who?
    Queen Duh: Queen of the Duh People.
    Woman: Who are the Duh People?
    Queen Duh: Well, we all are. We are all Duh People. And I am your Queen.
    Woman: I didn’t know we had a queen. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
    Dennis: You’rw foolin’ yourself! We’re living in a dictatorship. A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working class…
    Woman: Oh, there you go bringing class into it again.
    Dennis: Well, that’s what it’s all about! If only people would…
    Queen Duh: Please, please, good people, I am in haste. Who lives in that castle?
    Woman: No one lives there.
    Queen Duh: Then who is your lord?
    Woman: We don’t have a lord.
    Dennis: I told you, we’re an anarco-sydicalist commune. We take it in turns to be a sort of executive officer for the week…
    Queen Duh: Yes…
    Dennis: …but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting…
    Queen Duh: Yes I see…
    Dennis: …by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs…
    Queen Duh: Be quiet!
    Dennis: …but by a two thirds majority in the case of…
    Queen Duh: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
    Woman: Order, eh? Who does she think she is?

  291. PC said

    poor Duh. I didn’t mean to dis you – I just had other things to do this week and couldn’t read here.
    LOL

  292. Mercedes said

    I haven’t even read any comments-just had to comment about how there are 289 post-I mean 290 posts.

    Give me that-that-that-nut! Give me that-that-that-nut!

  293. Mercedes said

    Ok-read first comment-PUR-aren’t you a grown woman? Please don’t punish you like this? Who the hell is punishing you? Did anyone make you pull a card-pay a fine-sit in a time out? Grow up! If you are feeling punished-and can’t hang with the big dogs-then stay off the front porch-WOOF! This ain’t ALL ABOUT YOU-Honey. Good grief-I thought you were sincerely coming here to apologize-then I realized you tried to with one big huge generic blanket apology…that doesn’t cut it here. Then you thought you would try individually and you couldn’t even remember what I was talking about-then you couldn’t even understand what I was saying in black and white-or maybe black and greenish/brown. You read but didn’t comprehend. Then you trailed off to YOU-all about you…is there a problem with PT and you? Because I thought it was all about you on PT…If it is still the same-they like to hear all about PUR! We don’t here. Girls just wanna have fun…

    Aaaaawwwwwww Yeeeeaaaaaaahhhhh-My mom-she gave me a quarter. She told me to pay the porter. But I ain’t pay no porter. Instead I bought some-
    Bubblegum! Bazooka-zooka-bubblegum! Bazooka-zooka-bubblegum!

    Oh my-this is only after post one-gotta quit and read whole thread-me so crazy-

  294. Mercedes said

    Sorry I gotta comment again-Pur-who cares about being outed-who cares who you are-Daisy-ya know this movie?

    I don’t give a fuck! What – are you scared that someone is gonna come and hunt you down and do something to you or something? I don’t think anyone here ever threatens that stupid shit. But I do know Tracy does threaten that stupid shit-ya know the bully type crazy bullshit. The more you ask about removing the shit the more people remember you and your insane behavior about this. I keep forgetting about it-then-BAM-it’s me-it’s me-please-please-erase me-erase me-because it outs me. I still don’t have a fucking clue what you are talking about.

    Pop Lock and Drop It!

  295. Mercedes said

    Oh my god-duh-no you didn’t-you gave in the crying whining child-the child wins-you just gave control over to the child. Oops sorry-I thought I was watching a demonstration at a workshop on behavior management-whew-thought I was still at work.

    This…is…the…way….I…live….

  296. Mercedes said

    So does that mean I can go begging to Tracy to please put my post up of my goodbye letter that no one saw-and I can keep begging and whining? Oh ya-maybe she will unban me and my friends. Pur-you still got connections? I know you don’t remember me much-it seems like…but remember-I always came to you first with my questions and you would give me your advice and then say pm tracy-you can copy and paste this pm and add to it…then ask her-So Pur-what do you think? she let most everyone else say goodbye and post their “Goodbye Cruel World” Letters. Do you think she might re-post mine?

    You gotta Fight! For your right! To Parrrrrrrty!

  297. Mercedes said

    PUR said,
    September 26, 2007 @ 3:33 pm

    Listen, I have come here to do the right thing. People of Duh: Can you not give the benefit of the doubt? Let’s please continue in peace.

    BULLSHIT! All I have seen is you stirring the pot-thinking you apologized-NOT-then whining and crying about whatever-who gives a flying fuck who you are. For you to act all big and bad on PT-you sure are acting all scared over here. If you’re scared-say scared!

    So Pur-What exactly have you come here to do? Please-do tell?

    p.s.-How does it feel when the shoe is on the other foot? (is that how the saying goes?)

    Like I tell my kids-treat others how you want to be treated-well I guess Karma-not that stupid bs you can give and take on pt-is bustin’ a U and bitin’ you in the butt! Put your big girl panties on-suck it up-take it-liek we all did- and get over it! Welcome to BFBF

    She’s crafty-she gets around-She’s crafty-she’s always down…
    Turn the Page…

    still singing…hehe

  298. Mercedes said

    I said I wasn’t gonna comment on each comment but I am-I lied!

    Speaking of scrapbooking-We have Fall festival and each class has a “theme basket” where we get donations from the parents and whoever to create a “basket of goodies to be auctioned off at the silent auction-to help raise money for our school.

    My theme is always-Pictures-Pictures-Pictures: Movie passes, film, Picture frames, Photo albums, scrapbooks, scrapbooking accessories, popcorn…

    Standing on Shaky Ground-Me lurves me some Delbert McClinton

  299. Mercedes said

    Another thing-Pur doesn’t want her whatever on a public forum that belongs to someone else-I want my posts put back up on a forum that belongs to someone else. So since Duh is so honest-truthful-nice-and sticks to her word-hint-hint-Tracy…I want my posts back up-please. Tracy please put my posts back up on the forum. Please-Please….

    Walk it out….

    Whatever!

  300. Mercedes said

    List of banned words:
    cats
    cheese
    scrap
    books
    scrapbooks
    squid

    you have got to be kidding me

    If this is for real-IMHO-the one real word should be PUR!

    this is a joke right? I have had one wiild and crazy day-2 more days ’til fall break. And I so love cheese-but need to cut back sonce my cholesterol is 261. Last word-whatever. Me lurves to read books. And I am a teacher. Allergic to cats.

    So can someone go to PT and give PUR a list of banned words for her not to use and post? Well that would take too long-huh.

    Poof Be Gone!

    Buh Bye Now! Buh Bye!

  301. Mercedes said

    Hagzilla-sorry-I said the big girl panties earlier. wassup here-are we going to rules and shit? that’s what’s so cool about this place.

    Shuckydarns-
    And I thought we were some pretty fart smellers! got that one from my dad-when I was a kid.

    Every time I roll the dice-Ohhhhh Yaaaa!

  302. Mercedes said

    Dana-LMAO-you go girl! This would have probably went away like dust in the wind-kansas-but she had to keep stirring-tornado-so now-everybody knows and will make a big spectacle out of it…because we learned from the very best:

    TRACY AND PUR! Thank you for everything you taught us-we are putting these skills to very good use.

    Have a little faith in me…lalalalala

  303. Mercedes said

    They don’t scrapbook, they douche with scissors that cut funny edges and pretty stickers.

    It gets messy.

    My kids do this in class with their pics-and then type stories to go with it-and make a SCRAPBOOK of their year in kindergarten.

  304. Mercedes said

    Not and Pur-you don’t like it – don’t stay for it. You both should know what this place is about. I took my beating here-defending tracy-then everyone here saw me take my beating from some on PT and welcomed me here when I came-even though I was already here. You guys act like this place is horrible-but the same shit happens on PT…everyday! And I believe at least one of you-I know at least one of you-for a fact does this very same shit! If you can dish it-then take it! Take it-and get over it and move on-then maybe we can all have fun!

    I almost said what my bro used to say-he’s crazy

    then we can all get naked and jump in a pile-hehe-NOT!

    NOT-you speak your mind here-always-but now you are saying for others to not do it???

    whew-i know I am tonight-must be all the stress coming out from today-all the holding myself back at work-hehe.

    Lean wit it-rock wit it!

  305. Mercedes said

    Cool-that song came on! Wassup Haggie!!!!
    PUR-I thought that stood for Personal Use Recruiter and it had to do with MK
    There I go thinking again.

    Bad to the Bone!

  306. Mercedes said

    About the PLZ thread-you commented on it-and you commented on it again-and possibly again…I know of at least two times-but god forbid me ask you to stop interupting a very good thread-your were one of the top dogs-that could do something to me-oh ya-you did-you stirred and I got sloshed out!

  307. Hi everyone,

    I have company visiting from MI so bear with me as I am reading this early in the morning.

    I am reading that many people have hurt feelings over what was done on PT. It doesn’t matter if the alleged crime was done or not – PT has shown it is not a healing place for women.

    Look at the sad posts. PT is not about healing, and many people have done things they regret on PT. That is what I find so sad.

    Sickie and Pur – I hope you two sleep well tonight, and that the frustrtaion in your email doesn’t spill over to your lives.

    I think the true frustration most of us feel is in Pink Truth. It had such a great purpose, and falls short of that goal in so many ways.

    pppj

  308. Mercedes said

    Like Haggie said to NAB-I ain’t no drama mama! actually that came from Mrs. blog.

    Is your mama a llama?

  309. Mercedes said

    I have been commenting after comments that spark my mind-just got to
    What What’s comment-I believe I have repeated what she said!

    What What: what you said!

    Word up!

    Had a bad day…lalaa

  310. Mercedes said

    I am skankzilla!

  311. Mercedes said

    Hey-Jenny’s phone number is 867-5309. I believe she lived is State College, Pennsylvania.

  312. Mercedes said

    And how did Pur get to read a private room chat transcript? I thought she didn’t have those privileges-didn’t she say that? My mind is foggy right now-might be wrong. NAB-do you think before you speak and wonder if you will regret what you say? just curious.

  313. Mercedes said

    oooooh-cool site-I am wanting to do the kids’ scrapbooks digitally this year-nifty!

  314. Mercedes said

    No-it was Daisy with the Lotus and Bamboo Spritzer in the Garden!

  315. Mercedes said

    I believe most of us can’t-hence the name banned from the bitchfest-I am assuming…And the Karma bullshit and smiting is stupid-that is what can cause some of the DRAMA!

    So-let me get this straight…
    PUR came in here to apologize-or something-NOT!
    Then she whined and cried that it was all about her and somehow others really owed her an apology-and she got it-and she won!
    Then her info-never saw it and never gave a shit-was posted so she begged and cried to duh to take it down-and won!
    And-really she never did what she came here to do.

  316. Mercedes said

    Mrs makes a good point-Pur begging to take down posts here and then talking about private transcripts from chat-when i thought she couldn’t see those. And she doesn’t gossip-but she looks at others’ private conversations-and I believe i read a comment where pur said she didn’t do that either…i think i read that-might have been a dream.

  317. Mercedes said

    OK-goodnight-just realized I did all my posting at the end-since i didn’t even get home until ten. I also realized I dodn’t reference to whom my comments were to. So sorry PUR since I asked you to do that.

    I believe most of us can’t: post on PT

    No it was Daisy…: someone said it was Colonel Mustard or something

    Oooooh cool site: the site for scrapbooking-daisy…

    I am skankzilla: to haggie

    Hey, Jenny’s phone number: giving out name-number-address-hehe

    Me lurves you sickie!

    PUR-do you even remember me?

  318. gothchiq said

    Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick. This is fucking insane. Maybe I’m dense, but who gives a shit if someone finds out you were in some MLM? Everyone already knows you were in MK so…. what’s the difference? Why’s the other MLM more shameful? The notion that someone from MK or the secondary MLM on some random off chance figures out your IRL name? errr… it’s a crime to post on bulletin boards? What are they gonna do, assuming they give a crap at all? And in the unlikely event that anyone bothers to read all this mess and figure it out?

    And just for the record…grown adults discussing their medical conditions is A-OK. You may not like it, but there’s not shit you can do about it. It’s not “internet diagnosis.” It’s grown women sharing their information with each other, perfectly legal and something that’s done all the time. Nothing to freak about. What tard is going to say “oh I read a post on a BB about XYZ condition and I think I have it so now I’m going to go hold up a pharmacy and steal a bottle of lithium!” You can’t get the drugs without a doctor. Absolutely not shit is going to happen without a doctor and everyone knows that. We’re supposed to be adults who can handle and process information appropriately without censorship. Fuck censorship. I’m 39 god damn years old and I discuss what I want. I don’t appreciate some holier-than-thou finger wagging from someone who is SURE they know better than me.

    Everything described by this entire 300-plus-post thread is the reason why I left PT! I don’t have patience for that kind of bullshit!

    I swear to the goddess, the mafia is not going to hunt anyone down on account of finding out they were in some stupid MLM. It’s inconsequential.

  319. Not a Bee-liever said

    Merecedes, to satisfy your curiosity—I am learning to do that, but I am not quite there. I strive not for perfection, but for keeping it real and doing my best to be a good friend to whomever will have me. Which reminds me, PUR, aren’t you even going to wave to me or something? People are saying you and I have an abusive relationship. If you would actually acknowledge me I might not be so inclined to think that our friendship is onesided. I’m sorry that our friendship has been damaged by gossip. In my attempt to strengthen our friendship I apparently weakened it. I accept my part in that and apologize for that.

    dipshit #1

  320. Mercedes said

    NAB-she hasn’t even acknowledged anyone that I thought she came here for-it turned around and ended up being her getting an apology from sickie and then her getting her way here and getting stuff reemoved and stuff.

    Things that make you go hhhhhmmmmmmm.

    wassup gothie? WORD! what she said!

    Hey NAB-I always appreciated your help in my spanish not so good translations…hehe-I tried

  321. Marvie said

    weighing in late here … again! I’m w/Mrs. on this one … you all actually save emails, etc. from months ago? Evidently, you all know something about each other that I have missed … hanging on to “ammunition” just in case you need it b/c you never know when TC’s craziness is going to spill over and you’ll have to show everyone how “crazy” the other person is! Wow! I’d say I’m speechless, but obviously I’m not! Just sad … yeah … sad!

    Well, gotta go to work! Later, chicas!

  322. foxspirit1 said

    Damn kids…

    Mrs: No, you are not the only one who doesn’t save things. LOL No I wonder what I have said. If I have said… idk.

    Sickie/PUR: OBVIOUSLY (to me) This has gotten horribly out of control. Not addressing issues at the time (either by lack of desire or ability) has only fostered things to this point. I am glad you are finally able to have it out, b/c I knew it was brewing a long time, but wow, it is a lot longer than I thought.

    PUR, for the record, I have disliked you on PT for a long time. You ALWAYS sounded condescending and “holier than thou.” I have tried to get over that, but you have always come off to me as believing you were a cut above humanity.

    Sickie, I have never had any issue with you. I’d like to believe that you have not back stabbed me that same way you have PUR… cuz you two seem to be good at doing that to each other. At this rate, there is a lot about my life I wouldn’t WANT on the internet…. but on the other side, I think I can answer for my life.

    PUR, I don’t think it is fair to say you don’t want to gossip and then talk about transcripts you have. Duh makes a good point, I think sending it to Sickie and Mrs is only fair, or you are just continuing the thing you dislike.

    TC is rude for touting all of this over your head PUR. If you are really hurt by it, and I believe that you are, TC is one person you should hold accountable for that. Also, people can’t smite you on PT… well not before, maybe you are on TC’s shit list now, not sure. The point is that I got banned from Karma and PM b/c other people I know were “karma spamming” I wasn’t. I still got into trouble. TC hid behind you when she was explaining to me what happened. I don’t have the emails. I didn’t save them. But she hid behind you saying to me that she never accused me of those things, and she blamed my loosing privies on you. I just left it like that at the time b/c who could I argue with?? It was pointless and I was already fed up.

    I am sorry for blaming you for things you did not do (like pull my privies). I am sorry I had wrong information. I think though, that as I can not play over there anymore, it would behoove you to watch you back with her.

    It would be nice to think people could get over it and move on. However, I don’t think that can happen with Sickie and PUR until they finish having it out with one another. Sometimes the only way to get over something is to go all the way through it first.

    Good luck. Seriously. I think you both need it. Some hurtful things have been done on both sides, and if either of you are trying to move past it… I think it will be a longer road than it has been so far.

  323. Not a Bee-liever said

    Marvie, I save emotionally-charged emails/PM exchanges because I like to be able to look at them again and see if I can learn from them.

    Mercedes, all I can say to you is that it hasn’t happened yet, but we can be hopeful. It’s strange to me that you would rush it. Please allow people time to come to grips with themselves. Like PUR said, she is looking into the mirror but this is not the only thing she has going on right now. Merecedes I don’t want to tell you how to feel or how to act. I would make the suggestion, though, of being patient.

    Respectfully yours,
    dipshit #1

  324. NorthCarolinaNewbie said

    I have a question? Is PUR still in this “top secret” MLM?

  325. Not a Bee-liever said

    No.

  326. Not a Bee-liever said

    Oh, sorry I forgot to sign off
    dipshit #1 who can’t keep her yap shut.

  327. Soooo interesting said

    PUR, are you still here? I have just read down to your 10:26 post and I have a question for you….or something for you to think about.

    You started the “gossip” discussion, right? From what I read here, that Tracy kept transcripts of chat room talk, it strikes me as the ultimate gossip! And this is someone you continue to support?

    OK, back to reading and I must hurry. My tea is getting cold!

  328. lmao @ Mercedes…….dang, you were listening to all sorts of good shit last night!! You was rockin da house!! So when are we gonna go clubbin’ woo hoo

  329. Not a Bee-liever said

    Sooooo interesting, I agree with your assessment of this situation.
    TC is probably saying in a ScoobyDoo villian sort of way, “And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for those meddling kids.” PUR, it is something to think about.

  330. Oooohh I wanna go clubbing! It’s been forever since I have done that.

  331. Dana said

    328 comments!!!! Yikes!!!! I leave after work yesterday and things explode! I guess I missed a lot.

    But just in case there is any lingering confusion, Daisy, I never wrote the PUR’s MLM had anything to do with douching. Duh edited my comment because of what I said. And because she’s a douche. 🙂

    Yet another comment…… the most ridiculous part of this is PUR is worried about being outed when this blog is just a small subset of former and current Mary Kay consultants. If you think of what a huge number that is, then think about what a miniscule portion are/were active on PT, and then think of that number and what portion are active here….. you’re probably looking at about 100 people max! The chances of anybody really being outed (unless truly personal information was posted, not a company name) is very, very, very slim. And by “truly personal” I mean name, address, phone number. Things people could google and this blog would then show up.

  332. Dear Pur,

    Ok, you came here to apologize. I get that. Then you accuse Sickie of doing something badly to you. Please show us. We don’t take your word for it. What did she do? Where is the proof? Sickie apologized if she did this, but she didn’t remember doing it.

    To me – you are spreading gossip. SHOW ME THE MONEY. WHERE’S THE BEEF?

    It is one thing to write that you had issues with xyz and didn’t like their posts or whatever, but when you accuse someone of something you better have the post to follow your accusations. Why would we believe you?

    I personally didn’t get into anything strange with you on PT and I don’t think our interest in threads crossed paths very much.

    To me, it still seems obvious that so many people were hurt at PT that it’s just a darn shame. Honestly PUR. It is not a safe place. I know you like PT, and it fills some place in your life, but I wish you peace, and the ability to see that some of your comments were very hurtful there.

    take care all,
    pppj

    PS By the way, I read over and over you don’t want your mlm shared – whatever. I guess I don’t see the big deal. If you are happy with your mlm so be it. I think I used to like your mlm.

    PPS Gothie, “Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick…”: now if that’s not an image…

  333. unbeelievable said

    Dear PUR:

    You may have already answered this question, but the one and only one question I want answered is : Do you have access to all the chat transcripts? Or did Tracy send this one in particular to you?

    I’m pretty pissed that anyone is reading the chat transcipts at all, by the way. That is so freaking lame and wrong. If more than one person has access to the chat transcripts, that’s even more wrong.

    If Tracy sent them to you, I’d like to quote your very own words:

    “But the one who both Listens to gossip and then carries and repeats a Gossip’s tales back to the victim of gossip is even MORE evil, as that action is designed to give the carrier of tales the satisfaction and delight of actually witnessing the harm done by such careless words. And so we must be careful when it becomes necessary to warn a victim of gossip that we do not cause her further harm by quoting the Gossip’s evil words in their hurtful entirety.”

  334. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    OMG Women. I left last night because it was getting more than ridiculous.

    Some advice here, PUR and Sickie you too need to talk. Pick up the phone and talk to each other, you both would probably work through this better that way. You aren’t going to come out as friends in any event, but you both might be able to clear the air. I don’t think this is productive anymore, I think it is inflaming the situation even more.

    PUR regarding the chat room transcripts its not fair to post about them or insinuate about them to Sickie and Mrs M. That is gossip and it is withholding information from parties involved and they have a right to defend themselves with proof being shown to them. Its interesting that Tracy would give them to you, she definitely stirred the pot here and you took the bait. Pur asking to be smited on PT is only going to cause more problems, because then you look like a victim and that people are being shitty to you – ummm not fair.

    Pur have you been banned from PT??? Just curious as to why you are actually posting here.

    NAB like who ever you want to like, frankly I don’t give a flying fuck anymore and if you want to be friends with PUR be friends with her. If you want to be friends with me, be friends with me. Like that is ever gonna happen.

    This has turned into a childish snot nosed booger fest of who said what, and PT is the biggest booger factory in the world.

    Mere my cousin Skankzilla, you were grooving on your own last night ROFL.

    Gothie I loved your “Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick”

    Here is another good piece of advice to those who think this is real life drama
    STEP away from the computer, find a hobby and do something meaningful. There are people dying in wars, people starving and dying of disease – NOW that is real drama and real life.

    SKANKAZOIDS

  335. mkrealist said

    Applauding Hagatha.

  336. foxspirit1 said

    Sickie, I’m sorry.

    Please hear me out. Yesterday I posted on this blog a rather longwinded message that was an attempt to point out that I don’t think there is a way to get around the mess between Sickie and PUR without going through it. In the middle of that post I said some things that I need to answer for. I thought I knew more about what was going on than I did, and I need to own my ignorance and my misunderstandings.

    I said that things have gotten horribly out of control, and had they been addressed earlier on, they may not have gotten this far. I was unaware that things HAD been worked out. The posts/chat etc apparently had been discussed and worked around between PUR/Sickie. I didn’t know that. Somewhere along the line new things surfaced, or old things resurfaced. I don’t know where, and I am not going to guess. However it appears that there was a period of time that was “ok” between these two. I am sorry that I did not know that and made assumptions that they were never discussed before now.

    I started one of my paragraphs with “Sickie I have never had any issue with you.” That really dismisses how I have felt about her. I consider her among friends, although right now a friend I have done wrong by. I should have said that I have trusted her. I have shared some intense things with her. I have benefited from her advice, and it helped me a lot. She helped me work through some really weird times with my SD, as well as been a sounding board for me re: my family. Posting that I have never had issues with her dismissed the fact that I don’t see her as a screen name, I see her as a friend.

    In that same paragraph I said that I thought Sickie and PUR were good at backstabbing each other. While PUR has posted enough on this blog to show that she has back stabbed Sickie…but not ever giving tons of evidence because that is gossip, there is only one thing that Sickie could be accused of doing. She did share PUR’s mlm. That was the part that I was going on when I said they were good at backstabbing. I didn’t realize that, again, this was almost a YEAR ago, and that PUR/Sickie had made amends with each other to a point since then. Again, I made an assumption, and I didn’t have facts. I should have said that it appears that they are good at hurting each other. They are. No one is better at hurting you than someone you trusted. It appears these ladies did have some form of a relationship, and it has gone horribly south since that time.

    Also in that same paragraph I made a rather flippant comment that I hoped she had not back stabbed me. That was my own fear. Had I been more adult, more awake, more aware of her feelings I would have come to her and asked. At this point though, I realize I was none of those things. In my own insecurities and uncensored mouth I said something with no basis of fact that has hurt her, and I consider her a friend. I did not want to hurt her. I didn’t think. That is my own fault, and really I can’t say anymore than I am sorry, because I don’t even have the words.

    In the end I have become painfully aware of how much I *thought* I knew, and I was wrong. I don’t know if I can make it right, I would like to. I am sorry.

  337. PUR said

    foxspirit,

    I did not know that Sickie betrayed me last year until now. If I had known then that she could not be trusted with any information whatsoever, especially the number one thing you don’t want her to ever tell anyone else, then I would have cut off all contact with her at that very moment. Sadly I belived all of her denials and it took other bizarre behavior and hearing too much gossip about others over a period of months for me to say, “Enough!”

  338. PUR said

    NAB,

    Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt. I appreciate it.

  339. unbeelievable said

    PUR:

    I asked you a question 3 posts up. Could you answer it? Thanks.

    Also, I’m now feeling like you just came here to see if you could start to make people distrust/dislike Sickie. WTH is your problem?

  340. unbeelievable said

    well I failed kindergarten math, it is 6 posts up.

  341. PUR said

    unbeelievable,

    I do not have access to chat transcripts, they were sent to me unsolicited. You are so right, I am forever changed for having read them. Ick.

  342. PUR said

    Hey, I am reading from the bottom up.

  343. unbeelievable said

    Thank you for answering my question. I’m glad that you understand what I was trying to say.

  344. PUR said

    Dana,

    In my small world of people who have been refered by me to PT, or people I know who know about PT, telling my MLM outs me and I am no longer able to participate anonymously. And then anyone I personally knew from my MLM knows who I am on PT. It is as if you posted my name and phone number. That’s all. And that’s why I care so much.

  345. Dana said

    PUR, I will say that that makes more sense if you’ve been referring to people from your MLM to PT. I was just thinking of a random person stumbling across the blogs. I still am unsure if it’s truly “outing,” but I get where you’re coming from in that regard.

  346. PUR said

    unbeelievable,

    I came here to apologize to folks for my behavior and careless words on PT that have knowingly or unknowingly hurt, caused embarrassment, annoyed, and/or offended people. I have learned that my writing style is recieved as very condesending, as well. All constructive critism, and coming here was a very frightening and humbling opportunity to face those I have harmed and offer my sicere regret and apologies.

    The Sickie thing morphed out of my being here since so many repeatedly said I had to apologize to her as well. For what? That is what I could not figure out. For ending a toxic friendship? I am still reeling from the discovery that she told Tracy my stuff when I asked her not to. And then to find out what she said about me in the very begining of our friendship to people I did not even know — in chat and email and who knows what else. I simply cannot peel back the layers of what she thinks I have done to her, and I am leery of discovering what else she has done to me. I want to think the best of her. I always did. I hope we can learn from this and move on in our separate directions.

  347. PUR said

    Dana,

    Yeah. I pretty much cannot participate in the discussion anymore. And that choice was forced on me.

  348. PUR said

    Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS,

    I have not been banned from PT. I came here to apologize, seek understanding, and learn from my past mistakes.

  349. chineseambassador said

    Why did Tracy throw PUR out??? That’s what I wanna know.

    now LISTEN UP YOU CRAZIES!! You all keep beating PUR over the head with this crap about “show us the proof that Sickie was bad to you”

    You all need to cut this out, because I already posted here LAST NIGHT an email Sickie sent me in December, telling me PUR’s mlm. I posted it because I’m tired of all of you coming on here defending Sickie and talking about her like she’s a saint, when she spent the last 8 months talking out of both sides of her mouth to everyone she came in contact with!!!!

    I’m not saying I’m perfect, but let’s get a grip. I’m not going to bash PUR over the Sickie stuff. They seem like they are both very good at talking crap about others.

    I think that if the people on this blog were willing to let go of all the Sickie crap, and embrace her, then we should be willing to do the same for PUR.

    Obviously the common denominator here is Tracy.

  350. PUR said

    chineseambassador/PC,

    Tracy has not thrown me out.

  351. chineseambassador said

    well then why the heck are you here? To be Tracy’s ambassador?

    If you’re still kissing Tracy’s backside then I can’t be sticking up for you anymore. LOL

  352. unbeelievable said

    PUR: when did you get this chat transcript? A week ago? Two weeks? Months?

  353. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    OKAY EVERYONE HERE IS ANOTHER SUGGESTION. GROW THE FUCK UP. GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES. THE ONLY ONE WINNING HERE IS TRACY BY ALL THE CRAP THAT BEING 0N PT HAS CAUSED. GET OVER IT , BURY THE HATCHET WHATEVER, BUT STOP THE FUCKING BULLSHIT. JUST STOP IT ALREADY.

  354. One Way or Another said

    Internet…

    Tracy proved she does spend her amounts of time digging through chat logs and pms.

    Internet…

  355. chineseambassador said

    with all due respect Hagzilla, this kind of drama is the only reason I read Duh’s blog.
    Not that Duh isn’t witty and gross and extremely fascinating, and not that I don’t love to read all of the cuss words here on a daily basis, but in reality…..

    this is kinda why we’re all here. We got axes to grind. lots of em. It’s like watching a trainwreck … can’t… look…away…

    POT STIRRERS!!!

  356. PUR said

    unbeelievable,

    last night.

  357. chineseambassador said

    why is Tracy trying to stir the pot like this last night? Why? Is she trying to cause trouble here?
    Doesn’t she realize that none of us dislike each other more than we dislike her?
    LOL

  358. MKRealist said

    Ok, something is not clicking for me.

    PUR, if you care SO MUCH about maintaining your privacy and anonymity, why on God’s Blue Planet would you EVER refer ANYONE to PT, knowing you are such an active and vocal participant there?

    If I’m engaged in something I don’t want other folks to know about, I don’t tell them about it! Not even a little bit. No hints, no nudges. They are clue-free and my secret is SAFE!

    I just don’t get it. If you are in fear of being outed, it’s cuz you told everybody where you might NOT be.

    Silly Rabbit.

  359. PUR said

    MKR,

    Thank you for pointing that out.

  360. Duh said

    PUR, You put the information out there in cyberland. Even if you told Sickie not to tell anyone, well… that was a dumb thing to do. The only time two people can keep a secret is if one of them is dead. You told Sickie (and according to her others) and now you have to live with the consequences.

    YOU invited people to PT that could find out who you are through the clues people spill. YOU told people you didn’t know on the internet stuff you didn’t want published. YOU ticked people off to the point that they are taking delight in pushing your buttons.

    These all sound like personal problems to me. The no outing rule is for the SAFETY of the members. It’s not to protect them from hiding from the people in their lives. Once again, if this is a huge deal to you, than go away and NEVER come back. Your info will become old news in a millisecond, I promise.

  361. The bottom line is, you weren’t outed. Outed means we know who you are in the real world. Most of us don’t know that by knowing you are (or were) a member of some crappy scrapbooking MLM.

  362. PUR said

    She Who Must Not Be Named,
    You just had to get in that last dig. That was not nice. Malicious for no good reason.

    Duh,
    Yeah I know. Well I know now, that is. Just let me go on my way in peace, all right? I’m outta here. Goodbye Cruel World!

  363. Duh said

    Ok, BYE

  364. I just repeated what EVERYONE ELSE HAS BEEN SAYING OVER AND OVER ON THIS THREAD – because you didn’t seem to be getting it.

    YOU

    WEREN’T

    OUTED.

    Don’t let the door kick you in the ass, and don’t dare say I was malicious, because I can get ghetto faster than 50 cent. Just ask Tracy.

  365. here’s my last dig… and this one is for real.

    PUR – You ever hear the one about the pot calling the kettle black?

    Getting your just desserts?

    Because I have read some of the shit you pulled over there at PT, and the only person who was meaner than you is Tracy.

    You can call my ‘dig’ malicious, but guess what? It PALES in comparison with the shenanigans over there at PT that you contributed to.

  366. jazzycat said

    Let’s not forget this great advice from someone who should know a lot about gossip. You know — the one who saves chat transcripts and forwards them:

    TRACY
    PINK TRUTH
    Trade Count: (0)
    Marchioness

    Karma: 300
    [applaud] [boo]
    Offline

    Posts: 3,066

    The PINK TRUTH will set you free.

    Re: Ethical Blogging and the 3 Evils of Gossip
    « Reply #66 on: Jul 29, 10:53 PM » Quote

    “I agree – gossip can be very damaging. I just hope that we all try to get better in this regard. To not gossip, NOR to listen to gossip. To not be fooled into listening to gossip from someone who has an axe to grind but disguises it as “helping.”

    I hope that we can all be committed to going directly to the source if we have any questions or concerns. Many of us have had the unfortunate experience of being a part of gossip while in MK, so I hope we can avoid it as much as possible here. We don’t need those things happening over again…

    In closing… if you are tempted to gossip about someone or a situation, please instead go to the source of your discomfort and talk about it with her directly. And if you are in a position to hear gossip from someone else, please tell her that you’d rather not engage in gossip and that you think it would be best if she discussed things directly with the person she’s talking about.”

  367. OK Um, someone tell me please, how do you get a group of women together and then say, OK Ladies, now, NO GOSSIP.

    That’s like telling a man not to scratch their crotch.

  368. mkrealist said

    Was she meaner on PT than she was on the $3.52 MKV thread?

    Cuz that right thar’ was a DOOZY boatload of sheer meanness from PUR and Sickie.

    I debated a long time ago sending those comments to DUH for posting, but I felt it was important for me to be a heck of a lot nicer to/about them then they ever were about me.

    Both need to realize (and admittedly Sickie is much farther along this path than PUR) that some of the things they did/said they will NEVER be able to live down because there were too many witnesses and there is a record. Both should have given more thought to their actions before they engaged in them so gleefully at others’ expense.

    And the saddest part of all of this is that I believe both of these women are basically nice and well-meaning people who are/were caught up in the “web” of a lunatic. All that meanness and negativity to remain in the good graces of and receive internet privileges from a jackass.

    For a person who would set you up like OJinACasino before EVER taking responsibility for something she instigated, motivated, or failed to prevent.

    I just hope it’s all worth it.

  369. Hagzilla/Bitchzilla with PMS said

    PT cultivates this type of behavior.

  370. Not a Bee-liever said

    mkr, what you said rocks! Not that a dipshit’s opinion of what you wrote matters to you, but I had to let you know.

    dipshit #1

  371. mkrealist said

    I just posted on MKV about true forgiveness. Maybe it will help someone who needs to read it, on ALL sides of these issues.

    Enjoy!

  372. MKV said

    I know who “outted” PUR (if mentioning her MLM qualifies as outting) and it’s not Sickie. I have proof. If you want to email me, PUR, it’s marykayvoices@yahoo.com

  373. MKV said

    MKR, that was a shameless plug!!! LOL

  374. ScrewU said

    If I email you, can I see it?

  375. What is the real test of a “friendship” even a cyber one is finding ways to love people “warts and all.” We all have ’em (yes, ScrewU….I’m outting your warts.) That is why I hung in there so long with Tracy…but nothing ever seemed to get better, only worse…she never seemed to grasp the idea that vulnerability and humility are not flaws but strengths and should be cultivated. I’ve tried to have that same attitude with PUR as well. I’m disappointed by how things went down the last few days around that…I had hoped that she wanted to be better than she had been in the past. Maybe she does, I’m not convinced right now.

    As far as Sickie goes that’s been such a different cyberfriendship than PUR or Tracy. Where being in relationship with Tracy fostered fear and doubt…being in relationship with Sickie, no matter what EITHER of our shortcomings we’ve been able to be better for it over time. We’ve ALL made mistakes in the past year (well, maybe not you Duh…ha!) but the real test is time and how we are different today than we were a year ago. I like to think I’ve gleaned something from this whole thing because if not, well, that’d be sad.

  376. mkrealist said

    Of course it was a shameless plug. LOL!!!

    The information is helpful, even if I say so myself.

    And the cartoon alone is worth the click on my name which will take you there!

    *ahem*

  377. Duh said

    I’m like Mary Poppins. Practically perfect in every way!

  378. Willie Lump Lump said

    Mercedes sounds like a big Eazy E fan, LOL. 😛

  379. Willie Lump Lump said

    and the Beastie Boys.

    *brass monkey*

  380. Not a Bee-liever said

    That is a quite helpful article, mkv and mkr. And I also like the attrition sucks article. Good work.

    But, again, coming from a dipshit, the praise doesn’t mean much.

    dipshit #1

  381. I really don’t know who most of these people are because I never could “get” into PT. Back when it was mary kay sucks it just didn’t have the fun factor that THE ORIGINAL had. So I have no idea who did what on PT.

    But I tell ya, you peeps are some funny-ass pootie tang bitches.

  382. Why is it that a lot of you saved all old posts, chat transcripts and gossipy emails? We are not in junior high school anymore though a lot of us are acting like it.

    Sickie & PUR, do you all know each other outside the internet blogs? Were the two of you friends or aquaintances in the real world? If yes, then I could see where one or both of you want apologies. I mean if you were trying to salvage a real friendship. (Forgive me, I actually do not know what each of you says was said about the other.) But, if the two of you didn’t know one another outside the internet, then why does it matter what one of you may have said about the other??

  383. Mercedes said

    NAB-what do you mean be patient? for what?

  384. Krysti – do you consider phone calls several times an outside friendship?

    I don’t save transcripts and old posts (never had any). I have “saved” per se e-mails cuz #1 I guess I’m lazy on cleaning out all my hotmail accts and #2 for e-mails from Tracy cuz I KNEW toward the end I was gunna need all the proof I had to counter act her bullshit lies.

  385. Mercedes said

    gothie-me lurves you.

    My dad always says “East Jesus Idaho” Meaning-really far.

    Haggie-wat up cuz!
    Yeah-had to get back into the music-music makes me loose control…actually helping out with the stress…whew! My cussing has been unbelievable lately and hanging out with you isn’t helping me out any.

    Skankie

    Mom-you’re just jealous-It’s the Beastie Boys…

    You can find me in the club, bottle full of bub
    When I pull out up front, you see the Benz on dubs

  386. Mercedes said

    Krysti-except for when FreeFromPT(Sickie/Happy) somehow hits the delete button and poof…oops…LMAO

  387. LOL mer! I do have poof problems. That’s for sure. *running to find my screwdriver*

  388. Mercedes said

    I am still catching up with the posts and one just caught my eye.

    excuse me-Fucking Bitch!

    Going to breath in the closet with gothie and find my quiet place….

    Im a bitch
    Im a lover
    Im a child
    …by MEREdith Brooks

  389. Mercedes said

    and that was not for you my dear friend happy or krysti-well hell-i think we all know who it was for..breathing

    Inside peanut butter outside jelly…

  390. chineseambassador said

    I’ve never saved any chat transcripts, IM transcripts, or blog posts. I’m just not interested in that. But emails – those are easy to save because if you’re a lazy ass like me, they pile up in your inbox and you just don’t bother deleting them. I didn’t save them on purpose.

  391. Mercedes said

    Just for the hell of it-found the pm from tracy stating that i could post on other blogs-after my stupid defending post on here. And since i am outed and just because…I have obviously pissed pur off-by asking questions-just like i did tracy-are they twins? Anywho…Awwwwww-nevermind-I would not want to backstab or be two faced to my beloved dear cyberstrangers-hehe (that doesn’t include by clandestine gang-that one is for you daisy-just got my email and went back down memory lane-love it)…

    I so love this song-and all of his songs-gotta hear this one to hear the feeling of it:

    Ive been sittin here tryin to find myself
    I get behind myself, I need to rewind myself
    Lookin for the payback, listen for the playback
    They say that every man bleeds just like me
    I feel like number one, yet Im last in line
    I watch my youngest son and it helps to pass the time
    I take to many pills…it helps to ease the pain
    I made a couple dollar bills, still I feel the same
    Everybody knows my name, say it way out loud
    A lotta folks fuck with me, its hard to hang out in crowds
    I guess thats the price you pay to be some big shot like I am
    Outstretched hands and one night stands, still I cant find love
    And when your walls come tumblin down, I will always be around
    …yea anyone and now…
    And when your walls come tumblin down, I will always be around
    People dont know about the things I say or do
    They dont understand about the shit that Ive been through
    Its been so long since Ive been home
    Ive been gone Ive been gone for way to long
    Maybe I forgot all the things Id miss
    Oh somehow I know theres more to life then this
    I said it too many times and I still stand firm
    YOU GET WHAT YOU PUT IN, AND PEOPLE GET WHAT THEY DESERVE (he says this loud)
    Still I aint seen mine no I aint seen mine
    Ive been givin just aint been gettin Ive been walkin back that line
    So I think ill keep on walkin with my head held high
    Ill keep movin on and only God knows why
    Only god..
    Only god..
    Only God knows why
    Only God knows…why why why why only God knows why
    Take it to the devil, hey wont you take me to the river
    Hey hey hey hey hey….

  392. FOF said

    DAMN!!!! Phew, I have missed so much, can we have a ‘week in review’ please? 😀

  393. mkrealist said

    Krysti asked ~ Why is it that a lot of you saved all old posts…

    MKV was archived because two of the co-owners didn’t want to lose the excellent writing that occured there.

    So yes, it’s archived, but I’m not reading it every day, not even every month or every quarter. Occasionally, MKV will ask me about an old post and I’ll go search for it. It’s nice to have a record.

    It keeps some of you hookers honest…or at a minimum humble.

  394. mkrealist said

    Oh, and MKV doesn’t have a chat function.

  395. Morning everyone! Thanks for answering my question. I wasn’t trying to be rude, just trying to figure some of this shit out.

    Sickie – If you all were exchaning phone calls, I would consider that a step towards a real world relationship and maybe even a step toward friendship, so yeah, I could understand that.

    I also understand the email saving thing. My main email auto deletes after 7 days if the email has been read and not saved elsewhere.

    MKR, I understand saving a deleted blog/forum too. The paralegal part of me would probably do the same. Mostly for a CMA (cover MY ass) than the great writing I have done, but my blog is different than what MKV was. 🙂

    Mere, BITCH is my theme song. LOL 🙂

  396. damn gotta go to work now. 10-10 on fridays SUCKS!

  397. prdiva4 said

    OMG! Mercedes! LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL

    You are sooo freakin HILARIOUS! LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

    Man, and I thought I ONLY lurves me some Willie!
    I AM SORRY WILLIE! BUT I think I LURVES me some Mercedes now!

    HAHAHA! This place is GREAT!

    SLUT #4

  398. Mercedes said

    krysti-too bad my last name isn’t brooks or i would be rich.

    prdiva4-I read your comment on another thread about not lurving me and willie and I was like-WHAT? I was about to get upset and go put my stompin’ boots on…All we was a doin’ was just a swingin’…I mean singin’…

    Then I came over here-Me lurves you too…sorry I couldn’t join in last night…i had to get sleep. I think i drove home asleep and bf wanted to go out to eat. I said “OK, but don’t ask me what I want to eat or where I want to go, and when I get home we need to leave right then. You need to decide and we need to go right then. I will probably be sleeping in my plate”. I only went because I never go with him and I am always working…And if I had sat down first-I would have been a goner.

    I think I have the good ol’ snots from the good ol’ snot nosers…usually this time of year. Fun-Fun-and what is up with kids not having any insurance? At P/T Conferences I heard this from quite a few parents about their children. Then I hear on the news about Bush not gonna sign a bill for children’s healthcare-I have kids that need certain meds-just in my class-then you have the rest of the school-the school system-the county-the state-the country…and kids with serious illnesses…I wish I had a time machine and could zap back in time to the good ol’ days…when we were keepin’ it real…

    I see my comment bloggin’ is feelin’ ok-just need to do this for my blog.

  399. Mercedes said

    Hey Dizzy

    Remember when I said my friends and I always say HOOKER when we depart? We also called each other whore-I used to work t a restaurant/bar and a few of us did this-so we had whore #1-whore #2…
    I was Whore #3

    A guy friend of mine always would greet and depart calling each other names back and forth-bitch, slut, whore…

    I don’t know why I said this-just thought of it and did-Me so crazy

  400. mkrealist said

    I just wanted to be the 400th comment on this thread.

    Carry on…

  401. Ura Ricky Retardo said

    You are so special like that MKR. Who needs a ribbon or a prize when you can be the 400th comment on a thread, right?

  402. Ura Ricky Retardo said

    Oh yeah, BTW, if we were Tracy, we would have closed down this here thread 200 comments ago. What was her damage anyways? Who gives an eff if people still comment? Thanks for reminding me why SHE is in fact Ricky Retardo

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